Hidden Language - GoHaynesvilleShale.com2024-03-29T14:10:04Zhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/forum/topics/2117179:Topic:107518?commentId=2117179%3AComment%3A107525&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAre you referring to a "mothe…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2008-09-01:2117179:Comment:1085632008-09-01T01:14:16.747ZRandyhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/RandyYoung
Are you referring to a "mother hubbard" clause?
Are you referring to a "mother hubbard" clause? this language is not hidden--…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2008-08-31:2117179:Comment:1081142008-08-31T15:48:44.925Zreghttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/reg
this language is not hidden-- it is actually in some lease forms that were circulated at "meetings" in caddo and bossier.
this language is not hidden-- it is actually in some lease forms that were circulated at "meetings" in caddo and bossier. "This lease is restricted to…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2008-08-31:2117179:Comment:1081052008-08-31T15:46:18.096ZHar C2https://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/Har
"This lease is restricted to oil, gas, other liquid hydrocarbons and sulphur produced coincidentally therewith".<br />
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Quote from Two Dogs, Thanks, Important language<br />
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See discussion above.
"This lease is restricted to oil, gas, other liquid hydrocarbons and sulphur produced coincidentally therewith".<br />
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Quote from Two Dogs, Thanks, Important language<br />
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See discussion above. Sulphur polutes oil and gas a…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2008-08-31:2117179:Comment:1081032008-08-31T15:44:13.782ZTwo Dogs, Piratehttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ThomasRScarbrock
Sulphur polutes oil and gas and has to be included in the lease language. A clause should be attached to the Exhibit "A" that would read something like this "This lease is restricted to oil, gas, other liquid hydrocarbons and sulphur produced coincidentally therewith". You can get more technical with the wording if you like. Who knows what unknown substance may be under your land.
Sulphur polutes oil and gas and has to be included in the lease language. A clause should be attached to the Exhibit "A" that would read something like this "This lease is restricted to oil, gas, other liquid hydrocarbons and sulphur produced coincidentally therewith". You can get more technical with the wording if you like. Who knows what unknown substance may be under your land. Catch all LEASE LANGUAGE---EX…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2008-08-31:2117179:Comment:1080902008-08-31T15:21:38.116ZHar C2https://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/Har
Catch all LEASE LANGUAGE---EXAMPLE: (counteract the hidden language)<br />
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<u><b>ENTIRE AGREEMENT</b></u>: <i>This is the entire agreement between the parties which only affects and is limited to the property and mineral rights as delineated hereinabove, more particularly the property described in Paragraph ______ of this lease. This agreement does not extend to any property or mineral rights acquired after the execution of this lease agreement. More particularly, this paragraph supersedes any other…</i>
Catch all LEASE LANGUAGE---EXAMPLE: (counteract the hidden language)<br />
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<u><b>ENTIRE AGREEMENT</b></u>: <i>This is the entire agreement between the parties which only affects and is limited to the property and mineral rights as delineated hereinabove, more particularly the property described in Paragraph ______ of this lease. This agreement does not extend to any property or mineral rights acquired after the execution of this lease agreement. More particularly, this paragraph supersedes any other paragraphs contained herein containing language to the contrary.</i><br />
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THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. This is a very simplistic clause. A Louisiana lawyer should create a paragraph which covers this type of situation, on your behalf. Please hire a Louisiana lawyer to address this concern. This is a great concern. Most…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2008-08-31:2117179:Comment:1080802008-08-31T15:10:26.002Zreghttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/reg
This is a great concern. Most leases have "Lignite and sulphur" language. just make sure your lease provides for natural gas and oil prouction only.<br />
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Note that gravel is considered a mineral under our law. So, in essence, a general lease can allow the company to harvest gravel, lignite (strip mining-similar to coal) and sulphur.<br />
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While this is not likely to happen in today's market, you should take note that it could/might happen in the future. OR if the lease is sold, then you will be bound by…
This is a great concern. Most leases have "Lignite and sulphur" language. just make sure your lease provides for natural gas and oil prouction only.<br />
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Note that gravel is considered a mineral under our law. So, in essence, a general lease can allow the company to harvest gravel, lignite (strip mining-similar to coal) and sulphur.<br />
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While this is not likely to happen in today's market, you should take note that it could/might happen in the future. OR if the lease is sold, then you will be bound by it and a company that your have never dealt with could theoretically come in an harvest these minerals. ONCE AGAIN, this is unlikely to happen, but it could---so be aware and have an attorney review your lease. KB - There is nothing wrong w…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2008-08-31:2117179:Comment:1078482008-08-31T03:12:46.952Zjkw3https://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/JohnKWalkerIII
KB - There is nothing wrong with the language you quote, especially when dealing with urban areas. Example - I own 25 acres in Union Parish. There was a parish road built that the parish was deeded twenty feet across the north end of the tract in the early 1900's. The minerals were reserved by the landowner. When it was later sold the description simply described the 25 acres less the twenty foot wide strip sold to the parish. No mention was made of the minerals under the road which the…
KB - There is nothing wrong with the language you quote, especially when dealing with urban areas. Example - I own 25 acres in Union Parish. There was a parish road built that the parish was deeded twenty feet across the north end of the tract in the early 1900's. The minerals were reserved by the landowner. When it was later sold the description simply described the 25 acres less the twenty foot wide strip sold to the parish. No mention was made of the minerals under the road which the landowner had reserved. This omission was not intentional - the minerals under the road were probably intended to go with the rest of the 25 acres. The language you quote was intended to handle this type of situation. It is not intended and does not to cover a the situation where one owns two contiguous forty acre tracts and the lease describes one of the tracts and does not describe the other.<br />
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I am negotiating an oil and gas lease on my house lot in Fort worth. There is a street in front and an alley in back. When I bought the house there was a survey which showed that my property line was at the edge of the alley, not the center. The front property line is at the sidewalk, not the street. However, the offer to lease my lot included additional bonus covering half of the alley and to the center of the street. I did not demand this but it was offered up front. I have not researched whether the minerals under the street and alley were reserved in the original subdivision dedication, but I am being paid for them. The actual ownership of these slices of land probably will not be determined until the division order title opinion is completed, but that is after the well is drilled and completed. It is better for both parties to set up front that the lease covers all the land intended and include these small slivers since that is the intent of the parties. I own some royalty in south T…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2008-08-31:2117179:Comment:1078292008-08-31T02:48:13.499Zjkw3https://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/JohnKWalkerIII
I own some royalty in south Texas and about twice a year I get offers from some "royalty" company offering to buy my royalty. The conveyance document them enclose has very liberally inclusive language that sometimes says "every other interest owned in the county". I trash the letter. These companies are buying off tax roles and doing no title research. Since they cannot accurately describe the interest I own, their language is intentionally ambiguous. Again, I do not deal with these companies.
I own some royalty in south Texas and about twice a year I get offers from some "royalty" company offering to buy my royalty. The conveyance document them enclose has very liberally inclusive language that sometimes says "every other interest owned in the county". I trash the letter. These companies are buying off tax roles and doing no title research. Since they cannot accurately describe the interest I own, their language is intentionally ambiguous. Again, I do not deal with these companies. I checked alll the sample lea…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2008-08-31:2117179:Comment:1078102008-08-31T02:29:32.398Zpo boyhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/poboy
I checked alll the sample leases I have from different companies, and though they were some what vague,found nothing similar to your concern. Could you please post the exact wording of the section you mentioned?
I checked alll the sample leases I have from different companies, and though they were some what vague,found nothing similar to your concern. Could you please post the exact wording of the section you mentioned? Mr. Page, show me the clause.…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2008-08-31:2117179:Comment:1077712008-08-31T01:34:04.226ZTwo Dogs, Piratehttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ThomasRScarbrock
Mr. Page, show me the clause. I don't know what you are talking about until I read the clause.
Mr. Page, show me the clause. I don't know what you are talking about until I read the clause.