Dolet Hills Shut Down Good For Some DeSoto Mineral Owners - GoHaynesvilleShale.com2024-03-29T08:55:57Zhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/forum/topics/dolet-hills-shut-down-good-for-some-desoto-mineral-owners?commentId=2117179%3AComment%3A3992942&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI agree, TD,P. Going back to…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-09-15:2117179:Comment:39957682021-09-15T20:48:13.705ZSkip Peel - Mineral Consultanthttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ilandman
<p>I agree, TD,P. Going back to patent is likely out of question for many tracts however I think thirty years of adverse possession will render the majority of titles marketable. I'm all for getting rid of coal especially lignite and replacing it with natural gas. Closing the mine then is a win-win proposition in my opinion. I feel sure the land/mineral owners and the Haynesville operators would agree.</p>
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<p>I agree, TD,P. Going back to patent is likely out of question for many tracts however I think thirty years of adverse possession will render the majority of titles marketable. I'm all for getting rid of coal especially lignite and replacing it with natural gas. Closing the mine then is a win-win proposition in my opinion. I feel sure the land/mineral owners and the Haynesville operators would agree.</p>
<p></p> See my previous posts above.…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-09-15:2117179:Comment:39956712021-09-15T20:41:57.839ZTwo Dogs, Piratehttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ThomasRScarbrock
<p>See my previous posts above. The title is screwed up way back in time that real estate abstractors probably wouldn't find. Good Louisiana landmen would find these problems before they would pay the big bucks that were being thrown around back in the Haynesville hayday. If you go back in time when the log jam was still clogging the Red River you will find maps that depict a bayou running along the West side of I-49 that labeled the bayou as a branch of the Red River. This bayou goes into a…</p>
<p>See my previous posts above. The title is screwed up way back in time that real estate abstractors probably wouldn't find. Good Louisiana landmen would find these problems before they would pay the big bucks that were being thrown around back in the Haynesville hayday. If you go back in time when the log jam was still clogging the Red River you will find maps that depict a bayou running along the West side of I-49 that labeled the bayou as a branch of the Red River. This bayou goes into a cypress swamp just North of the Evelyn exit of I-49. The State of Louisiana may own a lot of the minerals in this area. The landmen taking the leases for the lignite mine were probably not oil and gas landmen and didn't go back far enough to see these problems or may have been told by the power companies to only run title for X number of years.</p> No, I don't think you are wro…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-09-14:2117179:Comment:39954762021-09-14T15:56:09.408ZSkip Peel - Mineral Consultanthttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ilandman
<p>No, I don't think you are wrong if you reserved your minerals when you sold the surface in the 1990s. To put it simply: Prescription of a mineral servitude is interrupted when the land is incorporated into the mine plan and commences to run again for the full ten year period once the land is released from the mine plan. The mine plan is updated periodically to reflect the changing boundary. Your mineral servitude would have suspended prescription on the date you sold the surface. I…</p>
<p>No, I don't think you are wrong if you reserved your minerals when you sold the surface in the 1990s. To put it simply: Prescription of a mineral servitude is interrupted when the land is incorporated into the mine plan and commences to run again for the full ten year period once the land is released from the mine plan. The mine plan is updated periodically to reflect the changing boundary. Your mineral servitude would have suspended prescription on the date you sold the surface. I suspect that you are owed royalty but the mineral code only allows for a recovery of the most recent three years from the date demand is made. Of course there should be additional wells to come so it is worth the time and expense to get this straightened out now.</p>
<p>Disclaimer: I'm unfamiliar with the term "released from bond" and do not know the section-township-range location of the mineral interest. Suggest you seek the advice of an O&G attorney/firm that is experienced with mineral servitudes and interruption of prescription.</p>
<p></p> We own a large block of acrea…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-09-14:2117179:Comment:39954182021-09-14T15:46:19.780ZJed Clampetthttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/DeanHatcher
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">We own a large block of acreage in the Dolet Hills mine predominantly in one section.</font></em><div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif"> </font></em></div>
<div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">signed Lignite lease mid 1970's</font></em></div>
<div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">we sold surface rights in mid 1990's</font></em></div>
<div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">received advanced royalty payments…</font></em></div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">We own a large block of acreage in the Dolet Hills mine predominantly in one section.</font></em><div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif"> </font></em></div>
<div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">signed Lignite lease mid 1970's</font></em></div>
<div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">we sold surface rights in mid 1990's</font></em></div>
<div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">received advanced royalty payments from mid 1970's thru 2000 on lignite</font></em></div>
<div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">started mining lignite 2000 to 2006.</font></em></div>
<div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">no mining or payments since then.</font></em></div>
<div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">reclamation o<span class="gmail_default">f</span> the surface land in our section is not complete.</font></em></div>
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<div><em><span class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, sans-serif"><font color="#000000"> <b> </b></font><font color="#000000">R.S. 31:161 seems to say that the prescription clock will not run again until - - -</font></font></span></em></div>
<div><em><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default"> 1. reclamation operations on the land burdened by the servitude are complete,</span> </font></em></div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default"><em><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif"> 2. the land burdened by the servitude is deleted from the mining plan, and</font></em></div>
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<div><em><span class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif"> 3. there is no longer in effect a permit for lignite or other form of coal mining and reclamation</font></span> as to any land included in the mining plan<span class="gmail_default"> whichever is sooner.</span> </em></div>
<div><div class="gmail_default"><em><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif"> It does not seem any of these three items have concluded yet.</font></em></div>
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<div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">An O&G operator arranged for release from bond of 50 acres or so for a pad to drill a well in 2011.</font>The well was completed 2013 and produced gas. It was a 1 HZ mile well entirely in our section.</em></div>
<div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">we never received royalty payments from the gas well.</font></em></div>
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<div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">seems to me the prescription period for our oil and gas has not prescribed.</font></em></div>
<div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif"><b>It seems to me we should have got paid for the gas well????</b></font></em></div>
<div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">We never signed an O&G lease with anybody.</font></em></div>
<div><em><font face="arial, sans-serif">Were am I wrong?</font></em></div>
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</blockquote> I have heard that the reclaim…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-08-26:2117179:Comment:39931932021-08-26T15:16:56.736ZSkip Peel - Mineral Consultanthttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ilandman
<p>I have heard that the reclaimed lands look good. Lots of jobs will go away, such is history. The question is, what new jobs will replace them? For that particular area, the resurgence in the timber industry may mean more jobs.</p>
<p>I have heard that the reclaimed lands look good. Lots of jobs will go away, such is history. The question is, what new jobs will replace them? For that particular area, the resurgence in the timber industry may mean more jobs.</p> I thought at the time that th…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-08-26:2117179:Comment:39931352021-08-26T14:39:26.790ZTwo Dogs, Piratehttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ThomasRScarbrock
<p>I thought at the time that the time allotted for reclamation was a bit much. Back then most everything was 640 acre units which would probably been a problem but now with these long laterals it would be a much easier task. I would think that the rock would be pretty good in that area. When Petrohawk pulled out and went to Texas I went South and worked mainly Wilcox formation in Beauregard, Allen and Calcasieu Parishes then TMS in Rapides Parish so I stopped following the Haynesville Shale.…</p>
<p>I thought at the time that the time allotted for reclamation was a bit much. Back then most everything was 640 acre units which would probably been a problem but now with these long laterals it would be a much easier task. I would think that the rock would be pretty good in that area. When Petrohawk pulled out and went to Texas I went South and worked mainly Wilcox formation in Beauregard, Allen and Calcasieu Parishes then TMS in Rapides Parish so I stopped following the Haynesville Shale. The Dolet Hills area is real pretty but you got to take to the back roads to see it, I-49 doesn't do it justice. Shutting the coal mine down will cost a lot of people their jobs up in that area.</p> Good to see you post, TD,P. …tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-08-25:2117179:Comment:39932642021-08-25T14:46:28.569ZSkip Peel - Mineral Consultanthttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ilandman
<p>Good to see you post, TD,P. Yep, this is your backyard and you were around during the early HA days. Thanks for the background. I would think that a delayed release of the land (surface) based on a couple of years of stabilization would be a reasonable requirement but do you think that period of reclamation would in any way keep laterals from being drilled two miles below the surface? I could see a prohibition for surface use such as well pads, roads, pipeline rights-of-way, etc. but…</p>
<p>Good to see you post, TD,P. Yep, this is your backyard and you were around during the early HA days. Thanks for the background. I would think that a delayed release of the land (surface) based on a couple of years of stabilization would be a reasonable requirement but do you think that period of reclamation would in any way keep laterals from being drilled two miles below the surface? I could see a prohibition for surface use such as well pads, roads, pipeline rights-of-way, etc. but with the ability of operators to drill 10,000 to 15,000' laterals, surface use on reclaimed lands would appear to allow HA development for much of the mined and not yet reclaimed lands. What do you think of the rock under the mine?</p>
<p></p> Skip, If I remember correctly…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-08-25:2117179:Comment:39931642021-08-25T14:34:07.830ZTwo Dogs, Piratehttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ThomasRScarbrock
<p>Skip, If I remember correctly from the work I did back in 2009 for Petrohawk, it does take years for them to release the land. They have to have it stabilized from erosion with trees growing on it. I found that there are clouds on some of the title from way back on parts of the land that was part of the Dolet land grant dating, I think in 1795. The Dolet heirs hired an attorney from Natchitoches named Safford to clear up the title in around 1850 the deal was he would do the work for half the…</p>
<p>Skip, If I remember correctly from the work I did back in 2009 for Petrohawk, it does take years for them to release the land. They have to have it stabilized from erosion with trees growing on it. I found that there are clouds on some of the title from way back on parts of the land that was part of the Dolet land grant dating, I think in 1795. The Dolet heirs hired an attorney from Natchitoches named Safford to clear up the title in around 1850 the deal was he would do the work for half the land which was over 16,000 acres. The case was heard by the Supreme Court of the USA in the 1870's. I had made a deal with the great great granddaughter of Mr. Safford on about 80 acres and got bogged down in the title when things were going real fast in the Haynesville Shale play. I spent about a month working on the title and my boss told me that if I felt comfortable spending my on money for the lease then buy it, if not let it go. I dropped it.</p> I suspect that some lands tha…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-08-24:2117179:Comment:39929422021-08-24T16:49:54.341ZOLDDOG2020https://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/WadeBritt
<p>I suspect that some lands that haven't been mined may be released early - conversations that I've had with other owners suggest that some may already have been released or soon to be released. The conversation I had with the mine just last year was 10 years before I could touch my land and it was known then that the power plant would be retired. I hope i'm wrong because I would love access to my 60 acres before 10 years. You are correct about the laterals since my land has one under it…</p>
<p>I suspect that some lands that haven't been mined may be released early - conversations that I've had with other owners suggest that some may already have been released or soon to be released. The conversation I had with the mine just last year was 10 years before I could touch my land and it was known then that the power plant would be retired. I hope i'm wrong because I would love access to my 60 acres before 10 years. You are correct about the laterals since my land has one under it that was drilled from a section that was released 15-20 years ago.</p>
<p></p> When the mining stops, how lo…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-08-24:2117179:Comment:39929402021-08-24T16:43:24.735ZSkip Peel - Mineral Consultanthttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ilandman
<p>When the mining stops, how long do you think the reclamation process may take? Considering the time value of money, it would not make sense to delay reclamation. It only gets more expensive the longer the wait. There is land that has not yet been strip mined and therefore needs no reclamation. If the leases not mined are not released in a timely fashion, irregardless of the lease term, you can bet there will be litigation. Either by the mineral owners or by the operating companies that…</p>
<p>When the mining stops, how long do you think the reclamation process may take? Considering the time value of money, it would not make sense to delay reclamation. It only gets more expensive the longer the wait. There is land that has not yet been strip mined and therefore needs no reclamation. If the leases not mined are not released in a timely fashion, irregardless of the lease term, you can bet there will be litigation. Either by the mineral owners or by the operating companies that wish to unitize and drill the available land. Neither SWEPCO or CLECO benefit by fighting a legal battle to maintain the leases and land not yet reclaimed can still have Haynesville laterals drilled under it.</p>
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