How long can a Shut-in Well (API 41931244) hold without payments? When can our holding be leased again? - GoHaynesvilleShale.com2024-03-28T16:02:47Zhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/forum/topics/how-long-can-a-shuti-in-well-api-41931244-hold-without-payments?commentId=2117179%3AComment%3A3995032&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noMost welcome, Bill R.tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-09-17:2117179:Comment:39958132021-09-17T13:41:11.179Zjffree1https://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/jffree1
<p>Most welcome, Bill R.</p>
<p>Most welcome, Bill R.</p> You're welcome and good luck,…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-09-16:2117179:Comment:39957862021-09-16T15:52:40.718ZSkip Peel - Mineral Consultanthttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ilandman
<p>You're welcome and good luck, Bill. We'll all be interested to follow how this turns out. Your experience may help others.</p>
<p>You're welcome and good luck, Bill. We'll all be interested to follow how this turns out. Your experience may help others.</p> Skip & Julie
I have conta…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-09-16:2117179:Comment:39957842021-09-16T15:46:54.683ZBill Rhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/BillR
<p>Skip & Julie</p>
<p>I have contacted the RRC and a O&G Attorney, so now commence the 'wait and see' stage I guess. The Attorney sounds very interested about the issue, especially the fact that they have a hold on both Adams and Snider. </p>
<p>I will let you know the outcome someday once I find out myself. </p>
<p>I thank you for all input and help on this!</p>
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<p>Skip & Julie</p>
<p>I have contacted the RRC and a O&G Attorney, so now commence the 'wait and see' stage I guess. The Attorney sounds very interested about the issue, especially the fact that they have a hold on both Adams and Snider. </p>
<p>I will let you know the outcome someday once I find out myself. </p>
<p>I thank you for all input and help on this!</p>
<p></p> Atoka contact information on…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-09-14:2117179:Comment:39954682021-09-14T14:03:14.484Zjffree1https://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/jffree1
<p>Atoka contact information on RRC is the same as at SOS except that they include a phone number: 972-407-0058. The registered agent address should be Addison not Dallas. On google maps... it's just another generic office building. The last PIR (public information report) filed with the SOS, per corporation wiki, was Dec. 31, 2019.</p>
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<p>That well has been shut in since June 2008. The state will keep it in that status as long as Atoka keeps current with their RRC registration and pays…</p>
<p>Atoka contact information on RRC is the same as at SOS except that they include a phone number: 972-407-0058. The registered agent address should be Addison not Dallas. On google maps... it's just another generic office building. The last PIR (public information report) filed with the SOS, per corporation wiki, was Dec. 31, 2019.</p>
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<p>That well has been shut in since June 2008. The state will keep it in that status as long as Atoka keeps current with their RRC registration and pays whatever fees are required for a 14B extension on it. Cost to close the well and clean up the site are calculated so it is on borrowed time. It might help to rattle cages at RRC. Toll free: <span class="hidden-xs hidden-sm">877-228-5740 or</span> <span class="hidden-xs hidden-sm">512-463-7158 .You can also use the email form on the <a href="https://www.rrc.texas.gov/contact-us" target="_blank" rel="noopener">contact page</a>.</span></p> Skip -
Thank you, I will go a…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-09-14:2117179:Comment:39954602021-09-14T04:23:41.201ZBill Rhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/BillR
<p>Skip -</p>
<p>Thank you, I will go after Atoka again and contact a O&G Attorney</p>
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<p>Thank you, I will go after Atoka again and contact a O&G Attorney</p> Bill, have you checked the le…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-09-13:2117179:Comment:39953202021-09-13T19:28:43.395ZSkip Peel - Mineral Consultanthttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ilandman
<p>Bill, have you checked the lease for a Shut In clause? Since you have received no payment for 2019 and 2020, Do Not Wait for a plug and abandonment which may never come. Make demand for a release of the lease now! It's always a good idea to get some assistance from an experienced O&G attorney so that you get the demand language and process correct the first time. I'm unsure what your follow up step would be if you do not receive a response from Atoka. Be proactive. The following is…</p>
<p>Bill, have you checked the lease for a Shut In clause? Since you have received no payment for 2019 and 2020, Do Not Wait for a plug and abandonment which may never come. Make demand for a release of the lease now! It's always a good idea to get some assistance from an experienced O&G attorney so that you get the demand language and process correct the first time. I'm unsure what your follow up step would be if you do not receive a response from Atoka. Be proactive. The following is from the Texas Comptroller of Public Records website.</p>
<table id="tb1" class="table-bordered table-condensed cf details-table">
<thead class="cf details-tr"><tr><th class="text-center" colspan="2" id="businessEntityName">ATOKA OPERATING, INC.</th>
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</thead>
<tbody id="trDetailsBody"><tr><td class="text-right" width="280px" bgcolor="#EFF4F9"><b>Texas Taxpayer Number</b></td>
<td class="text-left">11616935943</td>
</tr>
<tr><td class="text-right" width="280px" bgcolor="#EFF4F9"><b>Mailing Address</b></td>
<td class="text-left">16200 ADDISON RD STE 155 ADDISON, TX 75001-5333</td>
</tr>
<tr><td class="text-right" width="280px" bgcolor="#EFF4F9"><a href="https://mycpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/RightToTransit.jsp" target="_blank" title="Help Link" rel="noopener"></a> <b>Right to Transact Business in Texas</b></td>
<td class="text-left">ACTIVE</td>
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<tr><td class="text-right" width="280px" bgcolor="#EFF4F9"><b>State of Formation</b></td>
<td class="text-left">TX</td>
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<tr><td class="text-right" width="280px" bgcolor="#EFF4F9"><b>Effective SOS Registration Date</b></td>
<td class="text-left">02/18/2004</td>
</tr>
<tr><td class="text-right" width="280px" bgcolor="#EFF4F9"><b>Texas SOS File Number</b></td>
<td class="text-left">0800305814</td>
</tr>
<tr><td class="text-right" width="280px" bgcolor="#EFF4F9"><b>Registered Agent Name</b></td>
<td class="text-left">SCOTT G. HEAPE</td>
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<tr><td class="text-right" width="280px" bgcolor="#EFF4F9"><b>Registered Office Street Address</b></td>
<td class="text-left">16200 ADDISON ROAD, SUITE 155 DALLAS, TX 75001</td>
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</tbody>
</table>
<p></p> Skip -
I knew there was no p…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-09-13:2117179:Comment:39953932021-09-13T19:14:11.749ZBill Rhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/BillR
<p>Skip - </p>
<p>I knew there was no production from the Well.... I was looking back through my records yesterday and noted the last 'Shut-in' Check was for $102.00 dtd 7/2018. So, is it safe to assume that once the Well is plugged, that we will be able to again negotiate a lease on B.F. Adams A-18 and that they have no holds on the J. Snider A-990?</p>
<p>Thank you for your help on this.</p>
<p>Bill</p>
<p>Skip - </p>
<p>I knew there was no production from the Well.... I was looking back through my records yesterday and noted the last 'Shut-in' Check was for $102.00 dtd 7/2018. So, is it safe to assume that once the Well is plugged, that we will be able to again negotiate a lease on B.F. Adams A-18 and that they have no holds on the J. Snider A-990?</p>
<p>Thank you for your help on this.</p>
<p>Bill</p> Well, ask for help from the e…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-09-13:2117179:Comment:39952112021-09-13T18:02:58.867ZSkip Peel - Mineral Consultanthttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ilandman
<p>Well, ask for help from the experts and sometimes it arrives. In this case data from Enverus/Drilling Info with the statement that the Atoka Operating/Solomon Lease/B F Adams, A-18 has no reported production. Click the link below.</p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9563097086?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Atoka%20Op%20-%20Solomon%20Lease%20-%20B%20F%20Adams%20A-18.pdf</a></p>
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<p>Well, ask for help from the experts and sometimes it arrives. In this case data from Enverus/Drilling Info with the statement that the Atoka Operating/Solomon Lease/B F Adams, A-18 has no reported production. Click the link below.</p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9563097086?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Atoka%20Op%20-%20Solomon%20Lease%20-%20B%20F%20Adams%20A-18.pdf</a></p>
<p></p> After waiting for some of our…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-09-13:2117179:Comment:39953162021-09-13T17:41:07.017ZSkip Peel - Mineral Consultanthttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ilandman
<p>After waiting for some of our industry members to weigh in, I need to add one additional reply to this thread. A Shut In clause is common in standard form leases utilized by the industry. I always suggest striking it for any minerals that are part of the established Haynesville/Bossier Fairway where a pipeline connection should not be a significant problem. If a lessee insists upon the clause, it should provide for more than a dollar an acre per year and the term of the shut in clause…</p>
<p>After waiting for some of our industry members to weigh in, I need to add one additional reply to this thread. A Shut In clause is common in standard form leases utilized by the industry. I always suggest striking it for any minerals that are part of the established Haynesville/Bossier Fairway where a pipeline connection should not be a significant problem. If a lessee insists upon the clause, it should provide for more than a dollar an acre per year and the term of the shut in clause should be three years or less. This is a case by case determination. If there is pipeline take away capacity in the proximity, I suggest ten dollars an acre and an effective term of eighteen months. The bottom line is that most companies would not drill a gas well in a location where there was no way to transport the gas to market. Exploration wells can be an exception but the longer the Shut In term, the more per acre the payment should be.</p>
<p></p> You're welcome, Bill. As mos…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2021-09-11:2117179:Comment:39952692021-09-11T16:55:00.916ZSkip Peel - Mineral Consultanthttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ilandman
<p>You're welcome, Bill. As most of my work involves LA minerals, I'm always a little hesitant to get too specific or sure of myself when addressing Texas codes and regs. The two states are quite different in both regards as they are in case law. When the Haynesville Shale land rush started, there was an influx of landmen from all over. Many were experienced landmen however those that had never worked in Louisiana soon found that their other state experience was of less use and in some…</p>
<p>You're welcome, Bill. As most of my work involves LA minerals, I'm always a little hesitant to get too specific or sure of myself when addressing Texas codes and regs. The two states are quite different in both regards as they are in case law. When the Haynesville Shale land rush started, there was an influx of landmen from all over. Many were experienced landmen however those that had never worked in Louisiana soon found that their other state experience was of less use and in some cases a hindrance. When they ran into lands organized as arpents or in some cases as Spanish land grants, they were lost. Some of us LA landmen familiar with the lands in the Haynesville Fairway used to laugh at the frequent frustrated question, "who in the hell is Francois Grappe. Monsieur Grappe was an early settler of the Red River Valley and a friend and interpreter for the Caddo Indians. When the Caddo Tribe sold their lands in 1835 to the US government, paving the way for the establishment of Shreveport and settlement of NW LA, he was given a grant of land. I find that most landmen are history geeks to some extent.</p>
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