OneOK pipeline graced me with their presence. - GoHaynesvilleShale.com2024-03-29T09:56:26Zhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/forum/topics/oneok-strling-lll-pipeline-graced-me-with-their-presents?commentId=2117179%3AComment%3A2750773&feed=yes&xn_auth=noInteresting, after my posting…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2012-11-16:2117179:Comment:27628362012-11-16T13:40:56.170Zchuck calverthttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/chuckcalvert
<p>Interesting, after my posting yesterday I recieved an Email from them. He told me that they may be going back to the existing line which, runs through the back of my property and he would get back to me when they know for sure. </p>
<p>Interesting, after my posting yesterday I recieved an Email from them. He told me that they may be going back to the existing line which, runs through the back of my property and he would get back to me when they know for sure. </p> A qualified attorney is neces…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2012-11-16:2117179:Comment:27628722012-11-16T12:08:31.677ZHenryhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/Henry48
<p>A qualified attorney is necessary, and I recommend a local, qualified attorney. Someone who is local will know what the company is paying. That will help you judge whether or not your offer is consistent with what One OK is paying other land owners.</p>
<p>A qualified attorney is necessary, and I recommend a local, qualified attorney. Someone who is local will know what the company is paying. That will help you judge whether or not your offer is consistent with what One OK is paying other land owners.</p> The new pipeline will paralle…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2012-11-16:2117179:Comment:27627002012-11-16T04:36:41.962Zdbobhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/dbob
<p>The new pipeline will parallel the existing pipeline in some areas and will be separated from it in others. I would assume a larger ROW when they can't parallel their own line. I do think Oneok is going to be operating this line as a common carrier, but could be wrong on that. </p>
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<p>The new pipeline will parallel the existing pipeline in some areas and will be separated from it in others. I would assume a larger ROW when they can't parallel their own line. I do think Oneok is going to be operating this line as a common carrier, but could be wrong on that. </p>
<p></p> Mr. Newsom, I think you have…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2012-11-16:2117179:Comment:27625302012-11-16T03:52:14.698ZOl' Vethttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ol_vet
<p>Mr. Newsom, I think you have a misunderstanding regarding the nature of a condemnation (eminent domain). Pipeline rights of way, like power line ROWs, typically provide only the right for the condemning party to use one's land in a particular manner (namely, access, installing and maintaining and rebuilding the line, and carrying product through the line) and restricting the landowner's use of the ROW to activities that do not interfere with those rights (e.g., pasturage or growing of crops…</p>
<p>Mr. Newsom, I think you have a misunderstanding regarding the nature of a condemnation (eminent domain). Pipeline rights of way, like power line ROWs, typically provide only the right for the condemning party to use one's land in a particular manner (namely, access, installing and maintaining and rebuilding the line, and carrying product through the line) and restricting the landowner's use of the ROW to activities that do not interfere with those rights (e.g., pasturage or growing of crops that don't require deep plowing, etc.). There is no sale of the land, and if properly handled, there will be a reversionary right for the landowner to have full use of the land again if and when the activity ceases. There are instances of condemnation where full title is taken, such as was the case with a parcel of land taken in downtown Dallas for the City's construction of the Omni Hotel at the Dallas Convention Center, but that is not the usual pipeline ROW situation. I'm not going to get too far out on a limb with all the technicalities, because I'm not a condemnation lawyer, but I am very aware that condemnation recoveries are often at least 10 times more than the final offer made by the condemnor. Granting a ROW should always involve obtaining competent legal advice. </p> Last year, In East Texas (San…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2012-11-16:2117179:Comment:27626272012-11-16T03:16:42.293ZPhillip A. Newsomhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/PhillipANewsom
<p>Last year, In East Texas (San Augustine), I got $400 per rod from Enbridge and the same the year before for another pipeline. Be careful. They will make you think they are compensating you for your trees. After you sign, they will tell you that the tree compensation is included in the price per rod. </p>
<p>Also, if you take too long negotiating the final price and push them up to their deadline, they will go Eminent Domain. They will never tell you definitely what is their deadline. I…</p>
<p>Last year, In East Texas (San Augustine), I got $400 per rod from Enbridge and the same the year before for another pipeline. Be careful. They will make you think they are compensating you for your trees. After you sign, they will tell you that the tree compensation is included in the price per rod. </p>
<p>Also, if you take too long negotiating the final price and push them up to their deadline, they will go Eminent Domain. They will never tell you definitely what is their deadline. I found out from my lawyers that, in Texas, Eminent Domain becomes a permanent SALE instead of a lease.</p>
<p>I fired the lawyers, called the pipeline company directly and accepted their offer. When I did that they agreed to all of my other terms that protected the surface land and streams. All items they rejected when operating through the lawyers. The only thing I did not get was a higher price per rod or additional compensation for the trees.</p>
<p>Phil</p>
<p></p> I made them a counter offer l…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2012-11-15:2117179:Comment:27621832012-11-15T17:58:52.634Zchuck calverthttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/chuckcalvert
I made them a counter offer last week of $550.00 a rod and $10,000 for trees and damages. Still haven't heard back from him yet. Thanks again for all ya'lls help.
I made them a counter offer last week of $550.00 a rod and $10,000 for trees and damages. Still haven't heard back from him yet. Thanks again for all ya'lls help. $200.00 is probably too low.…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2012-11-15:2117179:Comment:27620212012-11-15T17:28:59.901ZKevin Dentzerhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/KevinDentzer
<p>$200.00 is probably too low. Last year, in South Texas, we sold right of way for a 20" line for $25 per foot. In 2009 in Grayson County we sold right of way for an 11" line for $16.00 per foot. As important is the indemnity provision in the agreement. We got pretty much everything we asked for, they (not OneOK)just made us ask. Remember that when the tress are gone they are gone because they will keep the right of way clear of obstructions.</p>
<p>$200.00 is probably too low. Last year, in South Texas, we sold right of way for a 20" line for $25 per foot. In 2009 in Grayson County we sold right of way for an 11" line for $16.00 per foot. As important is the indemnity provision in the agreement. We got pretty much everything we asked for, they (not OneOK)just made us ask. Remember that when the tress are gone they are gone because they will keep the right of way clear of obstructions.</p> You've already received the b…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2012-11-15:2117179:Comment:27621682012-11-15T17:27:29.928ZOl' Vethttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/ol_vet
<p>You've already received the best advice, which is to get a qualified attorney. I'm glad to see that you have already contacted a lawyer. Just be sure it's someone who knows this area of the law. You are under no obligation to agree to anything with the pipeline company; their only recourse is to initiate a condemnation proceeding, if indeed they even qualify as a common carrier that has right of eminent domain. You are entitled to recover for the value of the land taken, all property damages…</p>
<p>You've already received the best advice, which is to get a qualified attorney. I'm glad to see that you have already contacted a lawyer. Just be sure it's someone who knows this area of the law. You are under no obligation to agree to anything with the pipeline company; their only recourse is to initiate a condemnation proceeding, if indeed they even qualify as a common carrier that has right of eminent domain. You are entitled to recover for the value of the land taken, all property damages including the value of the trees and their future loss of growth and the enhancement they make to your property as a whole, and damages to the remainder of your property by virtue of the existence of the pipeline. I'm a lawyer myself, but not expert in the field of condemnation. I used a very capable firm out of Corsicana recently in connection with a powerline crossing my property in Ellis County. After I rejected Oncor's final offer of around $140K, they filed for condemnation and the case was finally settled for $2.5M. Of course, the lawyers get a cut out of the additional amount obtained, but I still came out way of what Oncor wanted me to take.</p> Get all you can and ask for m…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2012-11-15:2117179:Comment:27617492012-11-15T16:18:31.245Zrandy dawsonhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/randydawson
<p>Get all you can and ask for more.....be sure you know your rights.....they are out to save money and at any cost....lying is not something they mind doing....Been there...I <em>posted a note over a year ago, going into detail about my encounter with MidContinent Pipeline and their 42 inch line going diagnoally through my property....It took out newly planted pines, pasture land, existing timber, hay meadow, fence rows etc...I even came across a list of stuff the company gave the landmen to…</em></p>
<p>Get all you can and ask for more.....be sure you know your rights.....they are out to save money and at any cost....lying is not something they mind doing....Been there...I <em>posted a note over a year ago, going into detail about my encounter with MidContinent Pipeline and their 42 inch line going diagnoally through my property....It took out newly planted pines, pasture land, existing timber, hay meadow, fence rows etc...I even came across a list of stuff the company gave the landmen to use as a last resort (concessions if you will) if problems arose with landowners and I used some of it..... They started out paying by the rod and then went to the acre.....acre is better.....I ever got money for the first survey crew....not many folks did.....they always threaten you with eminent domain.....But they do NOT want to go to court....And that is another story....If you want more information I will give it to you.....Randy</em></p>
<p><em>Send to <a href="mailto:rcdawson1@aol.com">rcdawson1@aol.com</a> and I will reply</em></p>
<p> </p> Chuck,
I know for fact that O…tag:gohaynesvilleshale.com,2012-11-15:2117179:Comment:27618292012-11-15T16:10:07.280ZEric Hamiltonhttps://gohaynesvilleshale.com/profile/EricHamilton
<p>Chuck,</p>
<p>I know for fact that OneOK has settled with landowners in Polk County for $550/rod and they are only asking for a 25 foot ROW, paralleling an existing ROW that they supposedly own. This does not include damages either. The price was pushed all the way to $550/rod because this was the only way that they could get the landowners to sign on their ROW form, opposed to the form that they had there lawyers draw up. Most of this land is very remote land and some of it is in marshy…</p>
<p>Chuck,</p>
<p>I know for fact that OneOK has settled with landowners in Polk County for $550/rod and they are only asking for a 25 foot ROW, paralleling an existing ROW that they supposedly own. This does not include damages either. The price was pushed all the way to $550/rod because this was the only way that they could get the landowners to sign on their ROW form, opposed to the form that they had there lawyers draw up. Most of this land is very remote land and some of it is in marshy areas (not much value on this land). </p>
<p>If you need reference to your source...you can let them know that it was landowners east of Lake Livingston and SW of the town of Livingston and north of Goodrich, off FM 1988. I hope this is helpful. </p>
<p>Oh, and if you did or did not know. OneOK is not a common carrier, so they have to buy there way to get the easement since they can't condemn.</p>