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Permalink Reply by Jack Blake on October 22, 2010 at 13:11

You can ask for anything. No matter what you work out the very minimum to accept is $400/rod.
Ask them how they will go thru the creeks.
JB

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Permalink Reply by Marty Knowles on October 22, 2010 at 21:57

Thanks for the reply and will definitely ask for at least the $400/rod

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Permalink Reply by Henry on October 22, 2010 at 23:15

Mary,

Make sure you have language in your contract that ensures the flow in the creeks is not changed. Also, make sure you are indemnified and held harmless if the pipeline people do anything that does change the flow and this affects nearby landowners in a negative way. You don't want to be blamed for that.

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Permalink Reply by Jack Blake on October 23, 2010 at 3:18

Marty,
Make them give the first offer and then know they will go up from there. If they offer $400/rod first offer, they WILL go up. They will ALWAYS pay more than their first offer, no matter what they say when they make the first offer.
GET THEM RIGHT ON THE MONEY FIRST, and then work out the details of the ROW contract.
DON'T LET THEM RUSH YOU. They want to cross your land. Take the time to get the ROW agreement favorable to the landowner after you have agreed on the money.
You want everything in the ROW agreement contract. JB had one of these ROW agents sincerely tell him their "environmental landowner preferance form" was their "Bible". What frickin horse shit! JB wanted to bitchslap that ass!
If this deal looks like it will come to fruition, send me a private note and I'll send you some notes and can provide you some good FREE advice on the phone, if you would like.
I've done three row deals on my land in Sabine Parish within the last year, so my learnings can help you do even better than Jack Blake did.
POWERTOTHELANDOWNERSHOWLEDJACKBLAKE!!!!!!!!!!! GOHAYNESVILLESHALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JB

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Permalink Reply by Marty Knowles on October 23, 2010 at 19:08

JB and Henry,
Thanks for the suggestions and it is indeed very helpful. I received another email from the ROW agent and said he would be sending me a servitude agreement once he has received the survey. I suppose I need to have a look at it and try to decipher the details. I appreciate the assistance and thanks in advance for future help

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Permalink Reply by Henry on October 24, 2010 at 0:11

Marty,
I recommend you take Jack's advice. The permit that comes from the pipeline company is, just like the "standard" gas lease, a permit that does not put anything in your favor. My attorney reviewed it, and within a day, sent me back a suggested "Exhibit A" that had many more conditions, that were in my favor. These included clauses that:
- determined when the servitude would end (the original permit said it went forever) and required the company to file a release when the servitude ends
- had solid protection for me, if the pipeline company screwed up and caused damage somewhere or to someone
- limited access to certain routes
- etc.
The pipeline company accepted almost all of these clauses. It is well worth it a small fee, for something that will be under your land for 100 years.

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Permalink Reply by Pelican on October 24, 2010 at 6:36

Marty,
Is the CenterPoint? Any creek crossings or wetlands, they will almost always bore underneath it and you will never see any surface damage. You might ask that question. If it is CenterPoint, they are reasonable on damages and rates. Depending on the amount of acreage you have, I know some who held out due to greed and they just went around them. What is your Section -Twnshp and Rng?

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Permalink Reply by Henry on October 24, 2010 at 7:09

Indeed. In my case, the good news was that they ran the pipeline right along the edge of my property. The bad news was that they ran the pipeline right along the edge of my property -- I always felt if I got too greedy, they would move 30 feet over and give the money to the property owner next to me. In the end, I felt that I got more than enough, without being greedy. (In fact, I told my son that I would have taken 20% of what I eventually got.)

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Permalink Reply by Marty Knowles on October 27, 2010 at 19:44

Thanks to all for the helpful info. I believe this is Enterprise and now they want to change the route which puts in through some very mature hardwood timber I have along the creek. I'm not happy with the new proposal and think I will suggest he stick to the original route

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Permalink Reply by Bacon on October 28, 2010 at 6:03

Marty, Tiger started out at $420 and ended up at $750 a rod in RR parish. That was a 42" pipeline. You might be able to ding them for access if the area is only accessible through your property. Also, depending on the technique they use to bore under the creeks, you might be able to get something for the mud disposal. These are just a couple ways to bump the total payment. Have the company classify most of the payment as "damages", it's a better tax rate. Almost always worth the few hundred bucks to have an attorney look over and add to the agreement.

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Permalink Reply by Bacon on November 18, 2010 at 11:11

Acadia paid $850 a rod in RR parish. 42". They started out at about the same price as Tiger, $400 or so.

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Permalink Reply by Jack Blake on October 24, 2010 at 9:49

What's up with Matthew Murray #21 pelkid?
Thanks,
JB

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