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Permalink Reply by DrWAVeSport Cd1 on July 22, 2008 at 3:40

Call/Fax the Office of Conservation...Or call/fax the regional office here in Shreveport, the Mineral Board, the La Dept. of Natural Resources:

Shreveport: Dist. Office of OofC:

Fax: 318-676-7486/Ph 318-676-7585 (Dist Manager: Jim Broussard)

Office of Conservation:

H. James. H. Welsh: Voice: 225-342-5540/Fax: 225-342-3705

LA State Mineral Board:

Secretary Marjorie McKeithen, Esq. Fax: 225-342-4527

LA Dept. of Natural Resources:

Secretary Scott Angelle: Fax: 225-342-5861/Phone: 225-342-4500

OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR, Governor Bobby Jindal:

FAX: 225-342-7099

WE HAVE RIGHTS TO WHAT WE OWN FOLKS!!! Call these good folks who WE PAY (AND WILL BE PAYING FOREVER OUT OF HAYNESVILLE SHALE TAXES/BONUSES AND ROYALTY INCOME...and get some straight answers.

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Permalink Reply by DrWAVeSport Cd1 on July 22, 2008 at 3:56

Sorry Shalers,

I cannot let this "discussion" fade to the bottom of the stack!

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Permalink Reply by JW on July 22, 2008 at 9:29

Doc,

Do you think that they would start drilling before they get the actual permit? Who would be the one to inspect this? I would assume that it would be the local guys out of the Shreveport office. I would think that the drilling companies would be able to get the pad ready but could not start drilling until the permit was issued. It would be interesting to know which drilling companies have all of the pads and rigs that you saw in South Caddo and North Desoto. We could then find out if permits were issued. Information is the landowners only asset in playing this game so we need to make sure we keep it up to date.

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Permalink Reply by DrWAVeSport Cd1 on July 22, 2008 at 13:54

JW,

I was driving so I did not get good looks at the identification signs posted at gates. There were plenty of sites however that had no posted info/or should I say...that we could see from the roadways. Great Idea though. I guess I need my binocs with me and take another little trip down the same way this week...and take notes.

I hope this permit issuance isn't like teens wanting to drive a vehicle before they get a "permit." If it is, look out NWLa! (I hope just slightly funny here...)

Thanks JW...enjoying your comments.

DrWAVeSport V 7/22/08

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Permalink Reply by Skidmark on July 22, 2008 at 4:01

Somewhat related question: There has been discussion about well pads being constructed in sections where no permit has yet been obtained. How long does it take between filing of an application for a well permit and the issuance of the permit?

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Permalink Reply by JW on July 22, 2008 at 4:50

The Donner well in South Sabine Parish was issued a permit on 7/7/2008. The application was dated for 6/12/2008. I am sure there was some mail time there so I would say this well took 2 weeks to be issued a permit. I am not sure if the pad was in place before the actual permit was issued though.

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Permalink Reply by Jaybird on July 22, 2008 at 5:41

Reply to skid and JW,

There is a well that was permitted 7/17/08 by KCS/Petrohawk in section 24 -T19N - R5. I can't locate any information on the DNR office of Conservation - schedule of public hearings.

If there are wells producing currently in that section, do they need to apply for a permit again? Is that legal to do what they are doing?

It just popped up on the Sonris site in the afternoon of July 17, 2008. I check that site everyday.

Sounds kinda fishy to me but I don't know what the procedure is in obtaining a permit.

Jaybird

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Permalink Reply by insomniacnla on July 22, 2008 at 15:33

Jaybird, Snake and Dr. Wave,

Any well that will be drilled has to be approved and permitted by the state. The o/g company many times will have everything ready (road, pad site, etc) and obtain the permit right before drilling begins. The Office of Conservation set these rules in place in the 1950s or 1960s I think so as to have just one well per section, or more if they can be justified as needed. Back before permits and unitizations, a well would have to be drilled on your property before you could share in its production. So every landowner wanted to have a well on their property and in some places, it ended up that there were hundreds of wells in some sections because of it. So the Office of Conservation now has to approve all wells being drilled and make a determination that the well will be the unit well. Then everyone in the unit will receive their share of its production. If the well hits and the area turns out favorable, the company will ask for approval for additional wells (called "alternate" wells) in the unit and everyone additional well has to be approved and have a permit issued.

Not every new well will require a hearing (especially in the case of an alternate well) because the depths/zones were unitized at an earlier date.

The reason that I think that the Office of the Commissioner, James Welsh, approved all of the redefining going on is that none of the landowners in the affected area opposed the request. The Office of the Commissioner does not have protect the rights of landowners who do not oppose what the o/g requests. The landowners probably had no idea what the notices meant. I still don't for sure myself what it means to "redefine" a depth and if it will have a negative effect on leases/landowners. I hope that we put my theory to the test. If it happens in my section, I will make that trip to Baton Rouge. With a geologist that I will have to hire and with an attorney.

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Permalink Reply by Friend on July 22, 2008 at 14:13

The landowner may give approval for the pad to be constructed... anticipating company will be issued the drilling permit. But no drilling will occur until the permit is approved by the state.

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Permalink Reply by csullivan on July 22, 2008 at 16:15

from what i have read, in my opinon from my experience with the oil and gas industry.....i would love for j-w to drill by me, they usually put 3 wells on each pad. that means more money for us....but shell is the most enviromentlly friendly, but they have been in the pleasent hill area and since they got in the area only have two wells....they take triple the time any other company takes to drill a well.

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Permalink Reply by Cillian on July 22, 2008 at 19:52

I checked into this. CHK is not facing a fine for failure to report - yet. You may be seeing a lot of rigs, but keep in mind: if they're still drilling, they're not producing - yet. Plus, regardless of any potential back room dealing you think the o&gs might be enjoying with the state, drilling a well without a permit just isn't going to happen, especially on a large scale such as you describe. State regulators and agencies might look the other way (doubtful they'd do it willingly, but maybe out of oversight and there's no question they're busier than a one-legged dude in an a$$ kicking contest), but they won't be the only ones birdogging and there's no 'hiding' production on a well in the long term. Not to mention the lawsuit from any surface owner who figures out they've got a producing well sucking money out from beneath their feet.
None of which means there can't possibly be any shady dealings, constitutionally questionable permitting practices (depth clause changes, alternate wells), unethical tactics and downright corporate manipulation of the system. They've all earned red flags before and they will again.
So if you had the chance sit down and ask Sectretary Angelle anything, what would it be?

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Permalink Reply by James CD1 on July 23, 2008 at 2:36

Could you share who Sectreary Angelle is?
questions:
1.why do o/g co. want to redefine the depth clause?
2. How does this effect old leases held by production?
3. Why is Comm. Welsh not answering our repeated questions on this \
matter?

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