INTERESTING AND UNLIKELY PROPONENTS OF RENEWABLES AND A PRICE ON CARBON

With its previously announced plans to develop solar and wind power, Saudi Arabia hopes one day to be exporting “gigawatts of electric power” instead of fossil fuels.

Link to full article http://time.com/3903220/middle-east-renewable-energy/

Big Oil Companies Want a Price on Carbon. Here’s Why.

Natural-gas profits have Shell and BP, among others, calling for increased use of carbon-emissions fees ahead of a make-or-break climate summit in Paris.

Link to full article http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/climate-change-fracking-paris...

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Permalink Reply by Skip Peel - Mineral Consultant on June 16, 2015 at 16:16

How about a link? Or the publication name? Or did you just "hear it" instead of "read it"?

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Permalink Reply by Max on June 17, 2015 at 2:41

Here's a link:

http://epa.gov/epawaste/conserve/tools/warm/pdfs/Landfilling.pdf

Landfills are full of nasty stuff, including rotting food. We (mankind) have managed to generate several sources of greenhouse gases.

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Permalink Reply by Skip Peel - Mineral Consultant on June 17, 2015 at 2:51

Thanks, Max. Interesting read.

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Permalink Reply by Keith Mauck (Site Publisher) on June 18, 2015 at 6:05

You know better than that Skip!

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Permalink Reply by Joe Aldridge on June 17, 2015 at 12:29

Hey Skip,

No global warming in the past 10 that is "ten" years. Here is the link. This is a fraud perpetrated by a few on the people of the world to create a non-problem.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783

And another link:

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/15/americas-most-advanced-climate-st...

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Permalink Reply by Skip Peel - Mineral Consultant on June 17, 2015 at 12:36

Joe, conspiracies by definition have a limited number of conspirators who have a common benefit in perpetrating the hoax. Neither applies to the nations, agencies, science societies and businesses that openly support anthropogenic global warming.

Objection: Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by environmental extremists and liberals who want an excuse for more big government (and/or world government via the U.N.).

This is a common line, regardless of how ridiculous it is, so it should not go unanswered.

Answer: Here is a list of organizations that accept anthropogenic global warming as real and scientifically well-supported:

NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS): http://www.giss.nasa.gov/edu/gwdebate/
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA): http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm
National Academy of Sciences (NAS): http://books.nap.edu/collections/global_warming/index.html
State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC) – http://www.socc.ca/permafrost/permafrost_future_e.cfm
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA): http://epa.gov/climatechange/index.html
The Royal Society of the UK (RS) – http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/page.asp?id=3135
American Geophysical Union (AGU): http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/climate_change_position.html
American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/climatechangeresearch_2003.html
American Institute of Physics (AIP): http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html
National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR): http://eo.ucar.edu/basics/cc_1.html
American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/jointacademies.html
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS): http://www.cmos.ca/climatechangepole.html

Every major scientific institution dealing with climate, ocean, and/or atmosphere agrees that the climate is warming rapidly and the primary cause is human CO2 emissions. In addition to that list, see also this joint statement (PDF) that specifically and unequivocally endorses the work and conclusions of the IPCC Third Assessment report. The statement was issued by:

Academia Brasiliera de Ciencias (Brazil)
Royal Society of Canada
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Academie des Sciences (France)
Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
Indian National Science Academy
Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)
Science Council of Japan
Russian Academy of Sciences
Royal Society (United Kingdom)
National Academy of Sciences (United States of America)

You can also read this statement [PDF], which includes all the above signatories plus the following:

Australian Academy of Sciences
Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
Caribbean Academy of Sciences
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Royal Irish Academy
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

But if scientists are too liberal and politicians too unreliable, perhaps you find the opinion of key industry representatives more convincing:

BP, the largest oil company in the UK and one of the largest in the world, has this opinion:

There is an increasing consensus that climate change is linked to the consumption of carbon based fuels and that action is required now to avoid further increases in carbon emissions as the global demand for energy increases.

Shell Oil (yes, as in oil, the fossil fuel) says:

Shell shares the widespread concern that the emission of greenhouse gases from human activities is leading to changes in the global climate.

Eighteen CEOs of Canada’s largest corporations had this to say in an open letter to the Prime Minister of Canada:

Our organizations accept that a strong response is required to the strengthening evidence in the scientific assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). We accept the IPCC consensus that climate change raises the risk of severe consequences for human health and security and the environment. We note that Canada is particularly vulnerable to the impacts of climate change.

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Permalink Reply by Joe Aldridge on June 17, 2015 at 12:45

This climate change thing is pure propaganda perpetrated by a few that have an agenda. That agenda is to break and down grade the nations that lead the world in innovation. Again, this is taxation without representation. Its an administration that is out of control and is willing to give that control to bureaucrats and the UN. It just goes to show that if something is repeated enough you will begin to believe.

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Permalink Reply by Skip Peel - Mineral Consultant on June 17, 2015 at 12:45

List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations

(Scientific Organizations That Hold the Position That Climate Change Has Been Caused by Human Action)

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Permalink Reply by Joe Aldridge on June 17, 2015 at 13:01

Can you cite research from any of these organizations that supports these conclusions or are these organizations simply repeating propaganda that is being fed to them? Look at the report from NASA that I posted earlier. It says there is no global warming. That's from a satellite and study that was specifically launched to study the problem.

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Permalink Reply by Skip Peel - Mineral Consultant on June 17, 2015 at 13:08

Use the links.

Let's see: Russia, China and now The Pope. Odd conspiracy.

Joint science academies’ statement:

Global response to climate change

http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf

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Permalink Reply by Joe Aldridge on June 17, 2015 at 13:39

Skip,

Look at the science not the opinions. When you view the list that you post most of those organizations are the very ones that will be given the money from the carbon tax. The original intent of the carbon tax was to penalize the developed nations and give the money to the undeveloped ones. Most if not all of the organizations you cite have a "dog in the hunt".

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Permalink Reply by Skip Peel - Mineral Consultant on June 17, 2015 at 13:43

I forgot to add the IEA. That's a lot of ways to split all that tax money. I wonder if they'll all fight over it if there is not enough to go around.

4.3-C Temperature Jump from Climate Change By 2100

Jun 15, 2015 01:46 PM ET // by AFP discovery.com

The International Energy Agency on Monday warned that temperatures could jump by as much as 4.3 degrees Celsius by the end of the century and urged countries to improve their pledges on reducing emissions.

In a report ahead of a climate change conference in Paris this year, the IEA said more should be done to reach the goal of keeping the increase in average global temperature below 2C (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit).

Current pledges “will have a positive impact on future energy trends but will fall short of the major course correction required to meet the 2C goal,” said the report, which was presented in London.

Instead it estimated that there would be an average temperature increase globally of around 2.6C by 2100 and said the rise could be higher at 4.3C for countries in the Northern Hemisphere.

“The energy sector must play a critical role if efforts to reduce emissions are to succeed. Energy production and use accounts for two-thirds of the world greenhouse gas emissions,” the IEA’s executive director Maria van der Hoeven said.

The agency’s chief economist Fatih Birol said extreme weather events would become “much more frequent” as a result, with Africa particularly badly affected despite only minimally contributing to the problem.

Van der Hoeven stressed that “time is of the essence,” noting that “the cost and difficulty of mitigating greenhouse-gas emissions increase every year.”

While there is “growing consensus among countries that it is time to act,” strong vigilance is required to ensure that the pledges are adequate and that commitments are kept, she added.

The IEA suggested five key measures to ensure that global energy-related emissions peak already in 2020.

They call for improved energy efficiency in key industrial sectors, reducing the use of inefficient coal-fired power plants, increased investment in renewable energy technologies, a gradual phasing out of fossil-fuel subsidies and a reduction in methane emissions in oil and gas production.

“This major climate milestone is possible utilizing only proven technologies and policies and without changing the economic and development prospects of any region,” the IEA said.

Countries are preparing for a crucial UN meeting in Paris — the 21st Conference of Parties, or COP 21 — of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), which groups 195 nations.

The European Union earlier this year formally adopted climate change targets for the Paris conference, including a 40 percent cut in greenhouse gas emissions by 2030 compared to 1990 levels.

The United States, which accounts for 12 percent of global emissions, has announced its intention to reduce them by 26-28 percent in 2025 compared with their level in 2005.

China, which is the world’s second-largest economy and accounts for 25 percent of global emissions, has set a target date of “about 2030″ for its emissions to peak, but has not pledged any reductions.

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