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Permalink Reply by Texas54 on April 14, 2012 at 5:10

Maybe the part where they glossed over that the turtles can die from their own diseases and not just humans.

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Permalink Reply by dbob on April 14, 2012 at 7:00

Pit concerns were rational, IMHO - drought stuff was just flat out wrong, and the picture of the faucet was inflammatory - but it was the the graphic of the frac was the the one that nearly made me get out the spot remover - The graphic clearly depicts a surface body of water connected to a geologic formation, the frac entering that formation, and implies contamination.  

If you want to try to crucify the industry on a kids show, there is plenty of fact based stuff to do it with.  You know, the truth shall set you free, and occasionally make you look bad.

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Permalink Reply by Texas54 on April 14, 2012 at 9:52

If they can and they did, gloss over the fact that turtles die from things other than humans. What is to stop them from adding or subtracting on other issues. And as dbob said they start their indoctrination on a kids show.  I also grew up on watching the show you mentioned and don't remember them politicizing  an issue except to purchase a toy or cereal.

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Permalink Reply by Texas54 on April 14, 2012 at 5:06

I believe they are intenionally misleading, My sister and I have had discussions with our niece and nephew who come home with something even their teachers are trying to pass by them and even though she is 17 and he is 20. Just like some newspaper/or internet headlines they start with a big headline then you read the article and then find out nothing like the headline is in the article.

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Permalink Reply by essay on April 14, 2012 at 9:10

they know they're lying but they figure it's for the greater good, so it's just a white lie, no harm done.  none of them will be happy until we're plowing our backyard gardens with mules and taking the horse and buggy to town for the local small farmer's union meeting.

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Permalink Reply by Steve P on April 14, 2012 at 12:59

the cartoon graphic of the chemicals flowing right through the rocks up towards a large underground "lake" is so misleading it is appalling.  Nearly all of the studies done so far, even the one chartered by the Secretary of DOE, that included many leading environmental activists, concluded that the risks of fracking chemicals traveling from the underground shale into water sands is very remote.  The methane gas in drinking water are not really related to fracking, but just exploration in areas where there are methane pockets shallow enough to be close to the water table.

 

But the woman was so sincere in her delivery, she must be right.

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Permalink Reply by Steve P on April 14, 2012 at 16:43

Being both an engineer and an attorney, impossible is a term I seldom use. But I am not an expert in fracking or well drilling, so I will rely on one of the geologist members of the National Academy of Sciences who was on the DOE review panel - his term was "highly unlikely."  the best chance, still low, of fracking fluids getting into drinking water is from a spill on the surface, and the fluids seep down either alongside the outside of the casing or through some other naturally occuring fracture in the ground that goes from the surface to the water table.  But, those risks aren't associated with the fracking process, but rather from having hazardous chemicals present on a drilling site (or any other site if the seepage is through a natural crevice).

 

As to the methane, that isn't related to fracking, it happens because a well, any type of well including a deep water well, penetrates both a water table and at some point deeper, a methane pocket and the gas travels upward along the outside of the casing where it is then placed in contact with the water.  In certain locations in West Virginia and Penn. water wells have been contaminated with methane long before anyone had ever heard of fracking.  At some point in the future, the methane entrapped within coal deposits may become more valuable than the coal.  Not NG at 2 bucks, of course.

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Permalink Reply by Max on April 14, 2012 at 15:23

Here's a link to AquaKids.  You may sign up and join them if you like, or, let them know you don't approve of attaching videos of Gas Well Fracking to mislead little kids whose brains have not developed yet.

http://www.aquakids.tv/contact.html

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Permalink Reply by Hopeful About Natural Gas on April 14, 2012 at 19:31

Gasland went unchallenged for too long and it allowed that side of the issue to become the main voice people hear. All of these other media clips are spin offs of Gasland - and Gasland2 is now in production. Plus Matt Damon is making a movie in Pennsylvania. Despite what look like clear economic advantages, the image of natrgas is very poor.  Gasland scared people - and they vote.  The industry has done a poor job responding to Gasland and the burning faucet.

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Meanwhile, Frack Nation has to beg for small contributions.  I don't understand why they have a hard time getting financing from gas companies if their plan is solid. It's the cheapest, most effective way to respond to Gasland (assuming the producers of Frack Nation really know their subject and can pull off a good documentary)  They seem to have the credentials to do a documentary and I personally liked that it was a straight on response to Gasland.  Besides, the truth usually resides in the muddy middle.

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Most of this video was about WATER, which is people's main concern (earthquakes are also an issue)  I believe that the days of hydro-fracking are close to being over. It's the most problematic part of the process and what happens if the drought goes on another year or three?

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I've read about a process that recycles and cleans the waste water or. Propane can be used and it's far cleaner than water. There are other technologies being developed, like a "Green Frac Fluid" that mixes vegetable oils to create a safer fluid.  If we take care of the water and frac fluid problems then we can respond to most of the objections about fracing and natgas. It's the water use and the unknowns in the fracking fluids being used that are causing most of the potential problems.

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Permalink Reply by Max on April 15, 2012 at 3:11

HANG,

Gasland and Frack Nation are money makers.  An issue arises and someone makes a video to sell.  The more controversial, the more markets to sell in.  Frack Nation's market is not large.  Gasland's market is huge.  Ninety percent of the people don't own land or minerals.  The closest thing they'll ever have to a oil or gas well is grandpa's old zippo lighter.  One hundred percent of the people drink water, so if water is an issue, you have a ready-made market to sell to.

The gas companies don't have to finance propaganda for the masses.  They put their money in the hands of lobbyist and get more bang for the buck.  The largest hurdles for the Natural gas companies are the other energy producers, coal being the largest.

I personal don't put much stock into the subject of this thread.  Elmer Fud used to blast Daffe's beak off every Saturday morning.  The violence police intervened and now all we have is the sound effects.  Using guns in cartoons didn't materialize into jackboots coming and taking away our guns like a lot of people said would happen and gasland will fade away when the money dries up. 

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Permalink Reply by little ole 1st grade teacher on April 15, 2012 at 9:20

It would be interesting to find out who is producing this show and who supplies the funds to produce it. 

Could be a personal and/or a political ploy?

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Permalink Reply by William C. Morrison on April 20, 2012 at 10:23

Natural gas in water systems is not new, it has been around a long time.  Used be common in South Louisiana.  It occurs here in Parker County in Texas.  EPA tried to make a case of it and lost big time in Federal court.  The Texas Rail Road Commission has a long history of recording such facts. 

None of that has anything to do with fracturing wells.  As a famous Texas Oil Baron has gone on record says, "He's fracked over 3,000 wells without a problem." 

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