Presentation by Steven L. Mueller, President and CEO of Southwestern Energy to Credit Suisse Energy Summit in Vail, Colorado, February 9, 2012.
Note: only Mueller's comments about the Brown Dense are transcribed below:
Now I want to get to the Brown Dense, and this is one of the ones we always get the questions on.
In southern Arkansas, we’ve put together 500,000 acres. Total on New Ventures plays in the United States, we’ve got about a million total acres. I do want to mention the 500,000, before I start talking about the Brown Dense, that other 500,000 is across different plays. But, in 2012, we have two wells in our budget for something we haven’t talked about yet. It’s an oil play in the United States. And to drill two wells in the budget, we’ll have to talk about it sometime this summer. So kinda look for that.
Also look forward to the Brown Dense. In the Brown Dense we drilled our first well where it’s got that yellow tag on there. {Note: Mueller is here referring to the Roberson well on a map.} Finished that well in late 2011. Finished fracking on it last week. We have 11 stage frack on it. Yesterday we ran a packer and tubing in the hole, and as of about 15 minutes ago, we’re supposed to be in production. Now I haven’t got the actual confirmation of the time of production, but we’re supposed to go on noon Central Time today. So it is on production.
It will take several days to clean up. But, by our conference call, we should be able to talk about that well.
I get asked all the time, “What would make you excited from a production rate on that well?” What makes me excited and what economics are two different things.
If we could get a 100 barrel a day rate out of this well, I’d be jumping up and down. What you really need to have to make economics work on what we think will be an 8 million dollar well, ultimately, is somewhat between 400 and 500 barrels a day.
But we fracked this just like a Fayetteville Shale well. Four hundred feet between the fracks. Very similar design. We did not – it’s about a 3,500 foot total interval – we didn’t space them real close together like they do in the Bakken, we didn’t do some of the things they do in the Eagle Ford. So if we can get any kind of decent rate out of that, I know we can work it up to that 400 to 500 barrels a day. So that’s what would make me excited as we go through.
We’ve also been working on the second well that’s just across the border in Louisiana. That well reached total depth last night. It’s got a total of a 6,700 foot lateral on it. We’ll be running casing on it the next couple of days. And assuming we can get casing all the way to bottom, we’ll have almost double the lateral length we do of the first well. We’ll do roughly the same amount of spacing, but this will give us a test on what happens if you have a longer lateral with roughly the same amount of spacing between our fracks.
And then there’s some other wells posted on there. {Again, Mueller is referring to a map.} “OBO” is “operated by others.” The well closest to us – our two yellow spots – the well operated by Cabot, that well is at TD, and is actually fracking right now, so you’re getting some information on it.
There’s two stars in that big red blog on the right hand of the map. That’s the Monroe Gas Field. The southernmost star is a well operated by Devon. I think they’ve actually fracked that well and should be flowing that back.
The star just north of that is a well that’s permitted. It has not spud yet.
And the far right hand star just barely on the edge of that map, that is Exxon XTO well. They’re at TD on that. So in the next 30 days you should start seeing them frack that well also.
The end result here is that when we went into this play, and announced it last summer, we thought we were going to have to drill 10 wells, it would take us up through the first quarter of 2013 to drill all 10 wells ourselves, and somewhere in early 2013 to figure out if this works. With the industry helping us, I can’t guarantee it, but I think by end of summer, we’ll have figured out if this works. As an industry, we’ll have 10 wells. And certainly by the end of the first quarter we’re going to have information on at least five wells, and may be even six wells at that point in time. So this play in developing rapidly. We’re excited about this.
People say, “What could be the potential here?” On our 500,000 acres, again, with just a little bit of core data, and a couple of vertical wells to help us figure this out, we think we have about 30 billion barrels in place, and you got 10 percent recovery factor, we have the potential of about 3 billion barrels of oil. So this could be significant to the industry.
There is a takeaway, both on the gas and oil here, because there’s a conventional gas and oil fields, and the takeaway comes to the Gulf coast, not to Oklahoma, so we don’t have to worry about that part of it.
PERIOD OF NON-BROWN DENSE DISCUSSION NOT TRANSCRIBED
BACK TO BROWN DENSE DISCUSSION
Q & A Time
Questioner: Steve, in terms of the Brown Dense, were you talking about an IP rate of 100 barrels, or were you looking for a 30 day rate?
Mueller: That’d be a 30 day rate. When I talked about 400 to 500 barrels a day, that was a 30 day rate, not an IP rate.
Questioner: What do you think the oil in place is in the Brown Dense? What kind of recovery factor were you assuming? And what’s the biggest risk to this not working?
Mueller: Yeah. The oil in place, as best we can tell, is right around 30 billion barrels in our average. Most of these oil plays – again, we have no real production so you assume like a Bakken or an Eagle Ford, they’re talking about 9 to 10 percent recovery package in whatever they have. So you talk about 2.9, 2.8 billion barrels of potential recovery.
What’s the most critical factor? We’ve eliminated some of them. We went in with four or five issues.
One issue we went in with was there’s a wet zone about 400 feet above where we’re planting our laterals. Would you, when you fracked, somehow get into that wet zone and, if you did, you’d water out, and it wouldn’t really matter how much oil you’d have ‘cause that water would overpower.
We tested, when I say we did 11 stage fracks, on the first well we actually did three stages, produced it for 10 days to make sure that we hadn’t fracked up into the wet zone. We did not. So we eliminated that one.
The other eight stages of frack acted like the first ones. So I think we’re in good shape that direction.
Now the other big critical thing is, or the second biggest critical thing was, is the rock brittle enough. Can you frack the rock without having to use too much horsepower and all those other things?
It fracked exactly like we thought it was going to frack with the horsepower we thought we needed. So it looks like it’s brittle enough and will frack the way you want it to do.
The third thing is, how tight is it? Ultimately, what’s the natural fracture system? And how much oil can you really get out of it? That’s what we’re going to figure out in the first four wells or five wells in the production part of it.
It could be that there’s very little natural fracturing. It’s got about a 12 percent porosity, kind of an innate porosity in the rock. And it’s got about a 0.1 millidarcy. If it doesn’t have some natural fracturing, then you’re going to have to use more energy, more fracks to make it work. And we’re going to have to figure that out as we develop this next stage.
So the most critical thing we have to worry about is just how tight is the rock, how much natural fracturing there is. And you really can’t tell that from cores. The only way you can tell that is from production.
The other thing I can tell you early on was can you drill the well economically. In the first well, the lateral drilled very, very slow. It took us, to drill that 3,500 foot lateral, it took us over 30 days, 40 days, closer to 40 days to drill that lateral. To drill the 6,700 foot lateral on the second well, we did that in about 22, 23 days in that well. We took some learnings from the first one and applied it to the second, and it worked.
So, we’re comfortable now, when I talk about 7-1/2, 8 million dollar {wells}, that we can get in that range, that there’s not something strange about the drilling site. ‘Cause that’s the other side. You don’t want to have to drill 15 million dollar wells for a 350,000 barrels or 500,000 barrel type {unintelligible}.
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I don't know if its oil or gas yet; and no word on how much volume, but the route seems to be going straight south from Roberson, with a lateral E-W easement every half-mile. And they want it ASAP.
Skip (or anyone), what are the going rates for pipeline easements in this area?
Can a landowner expect royalties for flow passing over his property, use of the pipeline, etc. or is a one-time payment all you get?
What sort of leverage does a landowner have in negotiating a pipeline lease?
Joe, rights-of-way do not include royalties or payments based on flow. There are numerous GHS discussions concerning R-O-W agreements in the Haynesville discussions. They should be applicable to your area. In general to know the value you need to know the ROW widths (temp for construction and permanent) and how many lines will be laid. This ROW is almost certainly for a gas line so that operators can flow wells but it could accommodate a future oil pipeline if production warrants. Keep in mind oil can be stored at the well site and hauled away by truck. Nat gas can not. I can not speak to landowner leverage as I'm not up on AR laws in that regard. To search the archive, go to the Main Page, click on "View All" below the list of current discussions. In the search box, enter key words, pipeline or right-of-way or both. This will pull up a bunch of discussions. Observe the date of the discussion and review the most recent ones. You can ask specific questions of some of the members in that discussion.
Thanks, Skip! I never thought to look at those threads. If I learn a lot I'll get back to the group on what I find - as applies to this one!.
Few members ever think to look in the archives either, Joe. Don't feel lonesome. However there is a large store of knowledge contained in those older discussions. When a discussion rotates off the Main Page (which only holds 10) it goes into the archive. If the correct "key word(s)" are used, it doesn't take long to access a lot of information.
My cousin owns the surface on a well in the grayson field in 27-16-21 in Columbia County Arkansas. Lion Oil wanted to put in a pipeline. The land is a young pine plantation. Teddy Reynolds, his forester, did a valuation for my cousin and it is as follows: "approximately $6000 per acre which includes the remainder impact value which would be approximately $2,300 for .394 acres." How much one is paid is based on many factors. Further the SWN leases I have read provide for the ablility to put in a pipeline and they say nothing about paying you. Knowing that we included in our leases that a pipeline could only be put in if it serviced a well on our land or a well unitized with our land and we were to be paid for any land used.
In my rush to get this transcription up, I made several transcribing errors. Most are insignificant, but one is not.
In Mueller's answer to the second questioner, His sentence, "The oil in place, as best we can tell, is right around 30 billion barrels in our average." I transcribed the last word wrong. I listened to the tape again, and he said "acreage," not average.
That's significant since it implies the estimated 30 billion barrels in place is just on SWN's acreage, and the total over the whole play is more.
Thanks again…excellent work!
Since there is little well control, I think its a little early to estimate reserves. Sounds good to idiot wallstreet investors though
Thank you for posting the transcript.
Lots of rumors floating around about the Atlanta well.
Anyone heard anything?
According to the above transcript from SWN, the Roberson went on production Feb 9. If it is producing a significant amount of oil, shouldn't they be moving some oil soon? I think they had said earlier that Plains would be the buyer of any oil produced.
For lack of a better way of putting it, it seems as though a lot of folks have "good vibes" about the thing. No one is being specific, (by that, I mean that the guys I talk to are not being told anything specific. The guys I talk to are not directly involved), yet it seems as though it is positive...
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