J-B Oper. Co. request to "redefine Lower CV Zone 10,030' to 12,100'..."

Question: Why would Commissioner of Conservation grant to J-B Oper. Co., et al, (or any other O&G, E&P) a "redefining" of the Lower Cotton Valley Zone (Reservoir A)"...(or any other Zone, for that matter)...."in the Elm Grove Field"...(or any other field, for that matter)..."as being that gas/condensate bearing interval encountered between depths of 10,030 feet and 12,100 feet (electrical log measurements) in the J-W Oper. Co.-Cohort Energy et al. 22 No 1 Well, located in Section 22, T16N, R13W, Caddo Parish, La...

Along with 10 additional requests...including application to drill in these sections in the Hosston Zone/Res. A, CV Formation/Res. A, and Lower CV Zone/Res. A... and somewhere they include the kitchen sink, I think...
J-W, et al., is force pooling all sections shown on their "map," to include Sect. 17, 19, 20, and 21...as these sections contain J-W's "proposed unit wells."

Again, I ask, why the "redefining of the depths" of the Lower Cotton Valley Zone in this application to the C. of Conservation? I understand the intend of the land grab of the sections, I am not quite sure if I understand the depth change request... Dare I say (imo) that these "requests" are NOT geared toward improving the lot of mineral owners in these sections.

Thank you for your responses. I do appreciate every bit of info that I have learned from all you fellow "shalers."

The letters are coming folks. So I hope we are all prepared to see life moving at an even quicker pace around the HS.

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Permalink Reply by sesport on July 19, 2008 at 8:34
So. BC residents now posting they are just receiving their letters dated July 2.
Permalink Reply by KaylaCd1 on July 21, 2008 at 16:52
anymore info on this??

Kayla
Permalink Reply by DrWAVeSport Cd1 on July 21, 2008 at 18:09
Still waiting on reply....

I am attaching 2 files for generic use. If you wish to participate and send a message to the Honorable James H. Welsh, Commissioner of Conservation, feel free to use these templates. Send one to the Governor, Mineral Board, etc., etc., State Reps., anyone else that you Shalers can think of.

And attach your own "legal notice" letter, or "application for public hearing" letter if you have received one...or feel free to attach the one from original post on this discussion. It will get the point across.

Phone calls are next. And, a trip to Baton Rouge will be the next.

We are louder with more voices "faxing" together!

It's late, so I hope my downloads are OK. If not, I will attempt in the a.m. when I can see exactly what I am doing.

Thanks all. Anyone gets some info, please share ASAP with "gohaynesvilleshale.com" members
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Permalink Reply by DrWAVeSport Cd1 on July 21, 2008 at 18:25
Try this fax cover letter too. Hope it works.
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Permalink Reply by sesport on July 26, 2008 at 18:06
Just moving this back to the top of the discussions in regards to public hearing on 07/31/08. There were some questions in other discussions as to whether this is JB or JW oper. Please see attachment.
Permalink Reply by Les Bamburg on July 27, 2008 at 5:29
Gray Sands, it is fair to ask questions. But there has not been any verification of unfair tactics, dishonest operators, unfair business practices or loopholes. I have not seen a single land owner confirm J-W Operating's filing would have a negative impact on their specific mineral rights.
Permalink Reply by Mom A1 on July 27, 2008 at 6:08
???????????? I'm not so sure about that, Les B. Sound like you are in the industry to some degree. I would say that having multiple wells pulling out oil and gas and not paying the landowners properly is a negative impact on their mineral rights.
Permalink Reply by Les Bamburg on July 27, 2008 at 6:29
Mom, my comment is specifically directed at the "redefinition" question not the bonus or royalty level. I am knowledgeable about the "industry" but do not have a stake on that side of the fence. My interests are in seeing mineral owners maximize value. I realize it is not popular to suggest there are many legitimate reasons for redefining a zone, but think people should be more careful about convicting J-W before the facts are known.
Permalink Reply by insomniacnla on July 27, 2008 at 10:09
I know a lot of landowners who leased with J & W and who also received notice of J & W's intentions. I do not know of one landowner who went to any of the meetings or attended any hearings in Baton Rouge. The o/g companies send out a notice to the affected landowners that a conference can be held in Shreveport to answer ANY and ALL questions pertainting to the proposed hearing in Baton Rouge. No landowner ever calls to request the Shreveport conferences so the conferences are not even held. Only the landowners in the affected sections and/or next to the sections involved can request the Shreveport conferences. That is why the Department of Conservation grants the wishes of J & W because no landowner ever objects to them. The Office of Conservation cannot object to the requests by J & W by proxy on behalf of the landowners.

That is why we ALL need to attend these meetings from here on out. We need to take the time to ask the questions and then go to Baton Rouge to object. Only 1 landowner showed up at the last one I went to in Shreveport. And she only wanted to find out when drilling would begin and she did not have one question about anything else.
Permalink Reply by Mom A1 on July 27, 2008 at 10:29
Unfortunately, this is where the system is flawed. Sometimes the landowners work and cannot afford to drive to Baton Rouge. Our employers frown on taking time off to handle personal business.

How can a landowner make their voice heard but still keep their job? How do we request Shreveport conferences??

Until I got the phone number from you, I had no idea there was even an office of conservation. There are a lot of people that don't know it either.
Permalink Reply by insomniacnla on July 27, 2008 at 10:59
If you are in any section that has been requested for redefinition, you will receive a copy of the application in the mail from the o/g company requesting the redefinition. This notice will also include a letter stating that if you have any questions and/or wish to request a pre-hearing conference, you just call the telephone number and state your request. Most of all the pre-hearing conferences are held in downtown Shreveport.

The problem is that only the landowners IN the section being redefined can request the pre-hearing conference and these landowners are not requesting the meetings or asking any questions. Either because they do not understand what is happening or they do not oppose the redefinition.

So, we don't know if redefinition causes harm or not. I suspect that it will help the o/g companies hold a certain number of their leases without having to pay new bonus money for the Haynesville zone. But I don't really know what it means.

I do know that certain unitizations are favorable to the landowner. If a section is not unitized for production, then only the landowner whose property the well is drilled on, plus 40 acres, can draw on a well. Unitization makes it where if a deep well is drilled in a section (unit), that all the landowners can share in the production of the well.
Permalink Reply by Mom A1 on July 27, 2008 at 10:32
Gotta make it happen.

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