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Permalink Reply by Landowner on August 9, 2008 at 11:28

Jim, We know about hbp. They just thought maybe they were not being paid on all the wells. I wasn't sure about an irregular section. They are located between sec 26 & 38. I guess both make up the one mile radius. We will have to check if the wells produce on a lease basis or unit basis.

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Permalink Reply by Landowner on August 9, 2008 at 11:43

Ok, I need more help. I don't understand the difference between lease basis and unit basis. How can we determine this information? Would it be stated in the orginial lease?

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Permalink Reply by Glover N1 on August 11, 2008 at 16:55

What is HBP?
My uncle had a shallow well drilled back in 85 and my dad's property was joining the back side of his-- same section-- and there was a unitization agreement filed, which only included the west half of the sw quarter of that section my dad did not get any royalty off my uncle's well. However, I have found a letter when a permit was issued that it falls under order no 29E so, I am a little confused, why would my dad not have received royalty off that well?
Thanks for any input.
Dawn

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Permalink Reply by Renee S Cd1 on August 11, 2008 at 17:28

Held By Production. We've got quite a few questions going here, maybe we can get some of the old hands on the site to help.

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Permalink Reply by KaylaCd1 on August 9, 2008 at 17:12

I am pretty sure that this is the section that is very large and irregular. We are in an adjacent section of 38, we get paid on 9 wells, some are not in our section.....but are in our unit. I think that parts of this section is spread over several units. Hope that wasn't too confusing!

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Permalink Reply by Renee S Cd1 on August 9, 2008 at 17:32

Kayla, That makes sense. Mr. McConnell, What is "wells produce on a lease basis"?

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Permalink Reply by Diane Hudso on August 10, 2008 at 12:07

On Sonris what do the lines mean when you click on Oil/Gas Well Bottom Holes & Bores? Also when you click on Tract some of the tracts are colored - what is this telling us?

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Permalink Reply by Renee S Cd1 on August 11, 2008 at 16:19

I wanted to bring this thread back to the top because there are two questions that haven't been answered. Anyone?

1. What is the difference between wells producing on a lease basis versus a unit basis?
2. Diane's question above about Sonris.

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Permalink Reply by P.G. on August 11, 2008 at 16:42

I have a question about it as well. If a shaded area says "Next Month" in the symbol explanation tables, does that mean drilling is already planned for next month? That's what I would assume but there has been no wells permitted in that area, according to the sonris site.

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Permalink Reply by Dion Warr, CPL on August 11, 2008 at 18:18

OK Group:

Let me see if I can help out:

Sec. 38 in this Township is part of the Grappe & Sons grant (Irregular Land Grant). It extends into portions of quite a few "regular" sections. Because of this, as well as fairly standard units at approx. 640 ac. apiece, the section actually extends into a many different units. You have to look at the unit boundaries per the orders to figure out which unit(s) your particular property might lie within.

I haven't pulled the orders in a while, but it would appear that there is very little downhole combination of strata permitted. The LUW codes I am looking at are all "2" (unit codes), so an examination of LUW's are as follows:


LUW Unit
614456 HOSS RA SU86 (1 well; SN 227999, Sorenson #1-ALT)
615074 CV RA SU88 (1 well; SN 236171, Harter 15 #1)
613142 CV RA SU93 (1 well; SN 224317, John Place 24 #1)
613300 CV RA SU94 (2 wells; SN 225404, Egan #1
SN 236496 Linam 23 #1-ALT)
606208 CV RA SU102 (1 well; SN 228460, Sorenson #2)
(** Note: Use to include SN 149778, Allison #1 (Sec. 36) - P&A 7/13/80)
615138 CV RA SU103 (1 well; SN 236018, Morrison 35 #1)
613551 LCV RA SU63 (2 wells; SN 226275, Linam Prop 26 #1
SN 232483, Linam Prop 26 #2-ALT)
613964 LCV RA SU76 (2 wells; SN 230866, John Place 24 #2-ALT
SN 231781, John Place 24 #3-ALT)
(** Note: Also includes 6 wells from Sec. 3 - SN 229549, 229077, 230390,
SN 230967, 230919, 231865)
614330 LCV RA SU77 (7 wells; SN 230986, Egan #2-ALT
SN 231800, Egan #3-ALT
SN 232434, Jeter 23 #1
SN 232435, Jeter 23 #2-ALT
SN 232437, Jeter 23 #5-ALT
SN 233483, Jeter 23 #3-ALT
SN 233484, Jeter 23 #4-ALT)
613895 LCV RA SU78 (1 well; SN 228750, Sorenson 25 #1)
(** Note: Also includes SN 231360, Lieber 25 #2-ALT (Sec. 3) - Producing)
614275 LCV RA SU91 (2 wells; SN 231591, Smith et al 14 #3-ALT
SN 232527, Jeter et al 14 #1-ALT)
(** Note: Also includes SN 230917, Smith et al 14 #2 (Sec. 3) - Producing)

So, depending on where your property is located within this large and irregular area, you could be in a combination of the units listed above which are located in Sec. 38. It is also possible that portions of Sec. 38 are pooled within units in which there was not a well drilled in that section.

Confused? You probably should be. Such is life around these old land grant tracts, with irregular sections and township lines that don't quite match. Many of the units in these areas include regular "640s" that don't quite correspond to any geographic boundaries "on the ground". You pretty much need a copy of the applicable unit orders, Surveyors General Plats from the State Land Office, and a old Tobin (if not a flashlight) to figure some of these out.

These are a far cry from the more or less "regular" Jeffersonian townships, where the most you might have to worry about is figuring out whether a particular half or quarter section is in which unit.

The short answer would be: Find which unit(s) are applicable to your particular property, then ascertain which wells are completed to your section. But it is for certain (since we are dealing with units) that if you own land in this section, you will NOT be paid on production from all wells in the section.

Hope this helps, and not serve to further confuse the issue.

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Permalink Reply by Go With The Flow on August 12, 2008 at 1:11

Where can I view a map online that shows section, township, and range?
Thanks,

John

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Permalink Reply by KT on August 12, 2008 at 1:21

John - the Department of Natural Resources/Sonris site has what you are looking for. There are several comments that have info on Sonris on other posts. Try a search Sonris on this site. It is not easy for a novice to negotiate (me). It took three or four times for me to learn to pull up Section, Township, Range information and overlay the Major and State and Local roads to find out where I was. Then I figured out how to find wells on the site map. I still don't know how to get flow rates but eventually I will learn that too. It is a bit tedious and hard to give 1,2,3 instructions. Good luck.

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