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Permalink Reply by GoshDarn on March 22, 2012 at 11:16

Duly noted, HANG.

But you're an optimistic and think the glass is always half full and think well of most of us.  Whereas if you knew what I knew, you might be more pessimistic.  Lives have even been lost in and around the HA -- and even involving certain folks on GHS.  You came late to the game here, HANG. 

Anyway, as you also might know, it's called an "oral history."  Just get a tape recorder (and if you go digital, you can even upload the recording to your computer, too) -- and interview your friend.  The key is to make sure you have a good mic and all the words are clear.  You don't want ambient sounds such as forks on plates or background noise messing up the actual words on tape.

So, yes, it's nice to read your levelheaded tolerance and middle-way thinking.  Good for you.  (And yes -- I, too, went to a school in Caddo P. once.  And Bossier P.  And another La. parish.  And several TX counties.  We moved a lot.)

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Permalink Reply by essay on March 22, 2012 at 12:09

drwave is frustrated, as many of us are.  so what if he has a profit motive?  and just what exactly are you accusing "certain people on GHS" of, anyway?

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Permalink Reply by Hopeful About Natural Gas on March 22, 2012 at 13:11

" Whereas if you knew what I knew, you might be more pessimistic.  Lives have even been lost in and around the HA -- and even involving certain folks on GHS.  You came late to the game here, HANG. "

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That's an honest assessment, GD. I did come into the game late and while I had to fight to hold onto my family's rights over the years this is all "bonus money" to me.  The HA has changed my life and my family's. But, I believe in giving back and also that being involved in this is not just a privileged, it's a responsibility.  I feel I owe it to my greatgrandparents and grandparents who raised me to learn as much about this as possible and I have come into it very late!  I do see it with rose colored glasses, that's a fair criticism.  Hopefully, my grandchildren who will inherit it will not have the learning curve that I have.

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So, you know how to record in the field???  One of the things I do out here is oral history and interviewing a few folks in my home area is one of the ways I can give back to it and to their families. I have known some remarkable people, "unsung heroes". People with little education, but big hearts and minds. I am honored that people will invite me into their homes and share their photos and stories.

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Let's all make a circle and join hands now and sing that wonderful song ... Kumbaya!!  That's what we always do on the West Coast!

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Permalink Reply by GoshDarn on March 22, 2012 at 13:56

Yes, obviously, HANG, on the folk songs.  Had many friends with guitars.   

But what I meant was, you logged on as member to GHS relatively late in the game.  Lots of water under the bridge before you arrived.  Back in the summer of 2008 and into 2009 -- there was some real dust-ups going down.

Anyway, since many of us did grow up around the same area (I even lived in Ark. once, too) -- odds are as kids or as grownups -- our paths might have crossed, and such avatar anonymity might just be clouding the POV.

Yeah, well -- I do have country in my blood.  Dirt-poor La. feral for sure.   Both sides of the family via the grandparents were farmers.  Back to the 1800's in La.  Some into TX.  Other places to the east, back to the 1600's.  And probably even farther back on yet another bloodline.   

Family in N. and S. La.  Lots of family in La. and TX.

Yep, gotta know how to manage a mineral estate.  So true.  And thanks to GHS and Keith and the many who share, I'm always learning and have truly benefited from the inside knowledge.  A boon.

Giving back is simply part of receiving, like you say.

Building bridges is key.  Some seem to want to only burn bridges or bully folks.  Not wise.

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Permalink Reply by Hopeful About Natural Gas on March 22, 2012 at 17:48

GD, I was actually on here from late 2008 onward, but I used the name Logger and had an old time logging picture from Oregon as my avatar.  I did logging when I first moved out here and it was a good way to identify where I was from.

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However, a year or two ago I wanted a screen name that I could use on other sites about natural gas. I came up with the name Hopeful About Natural Gas because that reflects how I feel about it ... hopeful.  But, I did not realize the letters would spell HANG until I started using it and someone here called me Hang!  It fits. On some days I feel Hopeful and on other days I feel Hanged. lol!

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I emailed Keith and told him about the name change so he would not think I was trying to double post, but I don't think I made a big deal of it with the group, and now I see that I should have.

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GHS has been a super place for me to learn more about minerals. There is no better place.  Yes, I do remember the "dust ups" here as natgas started to really fall and the leasing stopped.  That was bound to cause quarrels.  I signed a lease, but I should have negotiated harder for better terms.  Oh well, anything is manna from Heaven.

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PS:  I hope the archives of GHS exist somewhere and that Keith maintains GHS into the future. I've sent him private emails about how I think GHS has a unique, historic role in the Haynesville Shale.  You can trace the beginnings of the shale revolution/mania from Go Haynesville Shale. If you were to read all of the post chronologically and see how both the pricing and the technology changed it would be an accurate picture of history.

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We've had one LSU student working on a paper here and I am certain that future business researchers will study the rise and fall and whatever comes next for the Haynesville Shale. That's a unique insight into history and GHS shows it better than any other blog.

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Permalink Reply by GoshDarn on March 22, 2012 at 19:07

Ah, yes.  "Logger."  Can visualize the ol' avatar picture and remember the general backstory.  So now that you mention it, I can see the similar posting persona, in away.  Logger was darn optimistic and upbeat, too.  Yet maybe, subconsciously, these avatar pictures characterize a stereotypical thinking in the reader because in my dumb mind, HANG is way more gushy than Logger ever was.  Logger seemed a bit more reserved.  But what the hell do I know.  Don't matter, eh?

Anyway, both of you -- or just you in whichever incarnation -- are fine folks, IMHO.  Neither seem to ever get in any trouble, more or less, on GHS, which speaks highly of your respect for others and the character of you as a human being (and/or maybe your age, too).

Check your private GHS e-mail.  There's an OT question I'd like to ask you.

Always a pleasure, Logger About Um Good Hopes . . .

(in regards to American Energy).

Permalink Reply by Gary Basinger on March 22, 2012 at 12:16

Hopeful, you can take the boy out of the country, but you can't take the country out of the boy. You are always welcome back to the piney woods, because this wil always be HOME!

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Permalink Reply by DrWAVeSport Cd1 on March 22, 2012 at 15:36

GD,

Family from Indiana... Born in Kansas...  Raised in Oklahoma...  Transplanted to the Great State of Louisiana...  My Family survived on O&G Jobs, and Labor Jobs.  No blue blood here.  LOL

Louisiana and Huey P. Long, Persuader Extraodinaire, is my favorite LA history read. 

Politics makes me a bit crazy, as I have attested to many times on GHS.  And, I "often" get  caught up in the moment.

My big "stick in the craw," is the Political Grandstanding by some Candidates of ALL Parties that produces so much manipulation.  One day I turn on the television and hear a Candidate say "I am against blah blah blah," and three days later he/she has no problem saying exactly the opposite, "I am for blah blah blah." 

I would like to see John Q. Candidate get their bearings on a subject before speaking out on that subject.  Maybe it's too much to ask.

I am not a politician and don't have to make my living running for office.  So I acquiesce to not knowing whether or not $$$ is a politician's supreme motivator.

I would like to see the political "bar" raised a little.  I don't want to wake up in a "new" world every single day and find I don't really understand or know what or where our Politicians stand on issues that affect U.S. all, e.g. the TransCanada Keystone for one example.  The Wars for another. 

As old as I am, I am more confused than ever, and I don't like it. LOL   And, I hate to feel as though I am being shrunk down to a "voter" who wouldn't understand issues ergo I won't know the difference between an apple and an orange... So let's just say and do what will get "my" vote.  That highly offends my sensibilities.  And, there goes my GHS "discussion" dialogue a running.  LOL

GD,  It is with all due respect that I mostly am in agreement with you and most other GHShalers.  And, I have learned an immense amount from same.  Often, my eyes read another's point of view, and I am persuaded to change mine. 

I supposes I consider myself a Recovering Defeated Perfectionist.  LOL  Still and forever looking for the Best in All of U.S. to guide and lead our Country with the Due Diligence we All Deserve.  (Like I said, Loooong Recovery of a Defeated Perfectionist. LOL)

GD, Aren't We still one of the poorest States of the 50? 

Too bad I'm not a "politician."  That would be one statistic I would change. 

P.S.  This p.m. I watched Cramer with Carrizo O&G CEO Chip Johnson, and Mr. Johnson didn't seem to "cotton to" the idea of U.S. exporting nat gas or CNG cars.  ????     

       

 

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Permalink Reply by GoshDarn on March 22, 2012 at 20:01

Yes, I know the syndrome well.  The perfectionism of an overachiever.  When a poor kid sees the success/lifestyle that money can buy -- that's a big motivator to play by the rules and climb the social ladder to the upper middle class by extreme effort.  And for a poor kid to work his/her way through college and work/pay his/her way thru med school, even LSU Med School, takes a serious determination.  Know those who did.  Know the work needed to climb up from poverty to the well-educated class.  Know it well.

Glad you've done some reading on the Purchase.  There's an ol' saying back in the days of Huey (who built Big Charity hospital in N.O. and Tiger Stadium, etc., etc.).  "You either loved Huey, or you hated him."  There was no middle ground back in the days of no paved roads and no bridges and no free schoolbooks for the La. school kids.

The Kingfish was a dynasty in and of himself.  Russel was a power to be reckoned with in the U.S. Senate for many, many decades, for sure.  Both loved La. a great deal.  No doubt about it.

All the King's Men, by Robert Penn Warren, is yet another POV, of course per your reading list.  Warren taught at LSU and had a small apartment on Chimes Street near the campus.  Know it well, too.

So, because a man of your statue, Doc, decided to stay and practice in La., the Purchase citizenry has surely gained from the experience, I would presume.  If it took student loans or work study or scholarships or part-time jobs and/or the low tuition of LSU (which was about $160 a semester back in the '70s for a poor kid like me working his way through school) and living on Chimes Street, with the severance tax from the La. oil and gas wells paying for so much of the funding for the state's colleges and charity hospitals to keep LSU's tuition so darn low, as it did the other colleges and universities in La. -- then I say that Huey sev tax was well spent.

Well spent by my family and many others I know.

Educating the population is key to the future of a good economy.  Without the upward mobility of hard work to motivate the desperate poor, where would we be in this country?

Anyway, like I said before, us poor hardscrabble hicks might tease, but we do appreciate honest and hard-working folks.  (Sadly, there are so many spoiled brats these days who don't know what it's like having to work their way through high school and work 3 jobs at once to pay for college.)

Too bad more folks don't study history and know the past to see who did what for whom and why.  Few have honor and integrity anymore.  Few have much loyalty to those who sacrificed so much for all of us.

So many self-serving liars these days, like you say, conning folks to vote this way or that.

Take care, Doc.  Glad the Pony Express finally came in with a check from CHK.  Oh, as you might also know, that be another Huey item, too.  The mineral code in La. that favors the little guy.  Wonder how that happened and how big oil let that happen?

In other words, if we had the severed minerals of Texas, I wonder how many folks on GHS would even own the minerals under their surface land?  But few know to even ask these questions, do they?  Few know prescription law and who did what and why and what it means.

And few greedy gimme, gimme care, do they?  Politics.  Don't ya just, um, wanna . . .

Throw up your hands like in Network?

If you haven't read Walker Percy, you might think about it, Doc.  He, too, was a physician who lived near Covington, La.     

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Permalink Reply by John Parker on March 23, 2012 at 0:08

Mr GoshDarn:

Touché..  well done.

Thanks John

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Permalink Reply by Bet Crain on March 23, 2012 at 7:23

I knew that was you writing before I looked at the name.  Good reply.  I read the posts and it is so easy to see where each person is coming from.  Everyone needs to be more open to the all sides of the issue. 

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Permalink Reply by Krkyoldhag on March 23, 2012 at 3:43

Louisiana land owners were very fortunate that the land and minerals remained intact.

I know a woman in Texas who learns every few months of yet one more interest in mineral rights she owns.  How?  Her dad was on board of directors at the bank his brother in law ran.  Each time the bank repossessed a piece of property these two did some quick foot work.  The bank would repo.  The land would transfer to her father then the two would sell the land for the bank retaining the mineral rights for themselves. 

They did this for 20 years or more...the two...fleecing the minerals from the sales.  How do I know?  I have seen some of the deeds myself. 

Of course the two are dead..and their kids get a surprise every few months learning they own more minerals somewhere.

If the laws were the same in Texas as Louisiana they could not have committed this fraud.  And there is not one single thing the owners that defaulted can do about it or the people who bought the land can do.  It was the perfect crime.

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