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Permalink Reply by Jon Williamson on November 3, 2011 at 10:58

You either pay or protest in person. They will turn you over to collections attorney if you don't pay, and I have seen them file liens and do tax sales on the courthouse steps.

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Permalink Reply by Clay G. R. on November 3, 2011 at 11:16

I'd expect that from those moles.  The unsigned/unnamed "Chief Appraiser" mailed the proposed notice of taxes due to me in FLORIDA (south Alabama). They KNOW the cost of gasoline deters and sometimes prohibits me or anyone else living a great distance away from driving to appear in person to protest.  What they DON'T know....is I'm not about to establish a payment precedent by PAYING TAXES on something I HAVEN'T RECEIVED. THEY'LL TRY THIS GARBAGE TILL WE FIGHT THEM ON PRINCIPLE & ACTUALITY. Fed up with government intrusion & takeover. I'm READY for a fight because I'm unemployed (not by choice), ineligible by 4 years for social insecurity (won't be there then) and growingly hot headed about being pushed around. Got nothin but time on my hands and big boots to kick butt!

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Permalink Reply by Shawn Holmes on November 3, 2011 at 14:30

Yes , I am interested in class action suit as well. I am out of town owner  as well. Keep me posted on the events, You can find me on face book as well under Shawn Holmes, Lubbock Texas

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Permalink Reply by robert minton on November 3, 2011 at 14:35

Bad attitude! Taxes in Texas are based on value of reserves--not royalty paid or unpaid. Good way to lose your mineral interest by judgment and sale for taxes. Comparable example: auto dealers are taxed based their inventory at beginning of calendar year--regardless of whether or not they are able to sell cars/trucks. OIL COMPANIES are taxed on oil in the tanks, as well as in the ground. Welcome to the responsible, adult world! There ain't no free lunch, or free puppy!

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Permalink Reply by Clay G. R. on November 3, 2011 at 16:05

You my boy, must be either a PUBLIC EMPLOYEE paid by taxpayer's dollars or an attorney (no comment).  Appraisals are JUST THAT...an "idea" of some public employee's decision what the value on an unrealized asset COULD BE depending on palatability of his/her morning's cup o coffee.  We moved out of the State of Taxes once the property my husband owned and operated our business on was taxed based on the county's appraisal district's latest appraised value which was increased 2-1/2 times its previous appraised value. Deep pocketed developer wants ALL the properties to redevelop for hotel & adjoined shopping area & had only to push financials towards powers that be to elevate appraisals for coveted properties. Government is inherently GREEDY and knows NO LIMITS when it comes to sucking off the productive populace. Now for the puppies, you're so busy stopping to pee with them your view of the back of the pack won't ever change. Not everybody or maybe ANYBODY agrees with you.  Get over it! 

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Permalink Reply by Jon Williamson on November 4, 2011 at 3:46

Most Texas counties are pretty reasonable when it comes to ad valorem taxes on producing royalties. They get a division order from the operator and yes put you on the tax roll. I hate taxes as well, but I pay. It's better to get the royalties minus taxes than to have no royalties at all. I can underdstand your frustration if you aren't yet getting paid, but my guess is that you should soon. People who don't pay their taxes leech off those of us who do. In my eyes it's about the same as being on welfare.

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Permalink Reply by Clay G. R. on November 4, 2011 at 11:58

Hi Jon, I agree when ANY individual reaps an income the consequences are TAXES due. It's only my opinion, but it should be the duty of the operator to report ACTUAL royalties paid, IF ANY. When the taxing county's authority (loose description) takes it upon him/herself to arrive at a value pulled from God knows where....the mineral rights owner becomes inconveniently liable for successfully disputing and correcting the erroneous value. It's much more advantageous to the taxing authority when the owner of mineral rights or paid royalties LIVES OUT OF THE STATE, especially when the deadline for disputing taxed value is inside 30 days. These govt people know the general populace is scrambling to make both ends meet in the middle but they've taken an adversarial attitude towards taxpayers and will die before they'll make any concessions. FTR....we've personally NEVER, NOT paid our taxes, be they income, real property, business personal property, corporate, franchise, sales & use, gift & on & on. The tax demon is alive & well & hungry as hell. We're just tired of getting our hands bitten off feeding the b-----d.   

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Permalink Reply by Phillip Briggs on January 18, 2012 at 6:01

Don't know about San Augustine county............ but the appraisers are publicly known people... real easy to find out who this 'unnamed' appraiser is.  You can protest via mail... not necessary to be there in person.

Sad to say.... if they drill on your minerals, you WILL be paying property taxes on those royalties.  If you don't... they'll be sold on the courthouse steps in short order.  Here, in Panola County, it's usually several years before they're sold for back taxes.  I've found most property taxes are in the 12% range.  I'd rather have 88% of something, than 100% of nothing.

If your ready for a fight, are you going to spend thousands of dollars on attorneys, to tilt at windmills for you, on an obviously losing battle?  If there is a well drilled, you Will get paid, and you Will pay taxes.  They're not taxing you on minerals... minerals aren't taxed till they're drilled and produced...

I've been at several of the tax lien royalty auctions.... most poor souls realize the insanity of losing a gold mine for a bag of pennies, and pay up within an hour of the lien sale.

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Permalink Reply by Joe Aldridge on November 4, 2011 at 3:35

This is interesting. Over here in LA the Property Taxes are only placed on "hard" assets owned by the operator not on appraised minerals that are unproduced. Interesting concept. Hope LA is not taking lessons from Texas.

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Permalink Reply by Joann Nance on January 17, 2012 at 11:50

Yes, we are on Jayhawks DU Well 1 H in San Augustine, Texas.  Haven't received a penny as of yet even though they have been pumping for nearly a year or more.  Does anyone know what's going on?  Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Joann Nance

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Permalink Reply by robert minton on January 17, 2012 at 12:52

Your reserves in the ground have been evaluated and taxed. Has nothing to do with whether or not you have received royalty payments.

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Permalink Reply by Bill R on January 17, 2012 at 15:28

So we can be billed (taxed) for Natural Gas and Oil reserves that are down there, but not being released by the controlling companies that drilled the wells or own them(?) due to reduced choke settings, then again once it does come out of the ground, and yet again when it is sold?????

Sounds like might be time to take Texas County and State Governments to task.... or bury a few of them!!! If it was the Mafia, I could understand it, but this is suppose to be an internal Government of the United States. How can taxing like this be legal????

And if they are not paying Royalties, where is the monies suppose to come from to pay these taxes???? With some of the issues, penalties, threats of lawsuits and now 'special' taxes, I am beginning to wonder why I should even sign any leases on these properties we own!!! So far the only thing I am getting from any of my families Texas, Louisiana and Arkansas holdings is headaches!!! 

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