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Comment by essay on December 4, 2009 at 7:27

john your first paragraph tells me nothing i didn't know other than you did a tour in vietnam. i've studied the events surrounding both kent state and tiennamen square in minute detail and they're not even close on any level.

it's just very ironic that we're hoping for a government that has a very long history of human rights violations to help us in "discussions" with another government that happens to have it's own history of trampling indiscriminately on it's citizens. i'm sure you believe otherwise, and to be perfectly honest i do not know what else to tell you other than we'll just have to agree to disagree.

your second paragraph is yet another tangent that has zero to do with the discussion. i don't really want to defend blackwater or the cia, but perhaps if we talk nice enough to foreign governments they will cease and desist their own covert ops. or not. i'm leaning towards not.

Comment by John Avatar on December 4, 2009 at 5:57

Actually, I had just returned from a tour of duty in Vietnam when the National Guard gunned down four students on the campus of Kent State. The students were unarmed and engaged in demonstrations against the war in Vietnam.

According to interviews with the former CEO of Blackwater, he was both CEO of a government contractor and an agent for the CIA. He admits to being involved in "black ops" wherein Blackwater was part of a plan to assassinate foreign agents on foreign soil and operate in foreign countries wherein secret torture facilities were maintained. Pinochet's death squads were no more or less evil than our own contractors. The goal was to create an entity who's actions were unattributable to the CIA.

Comment by essay on December 3, 2009 at 20:58

oh you want some too john? comparing kent state to tiennamen square is at least as outrageous as your previous post, and now i'm not going to ignore you any longer.

you do know that the soviet union was developing it's own nuclear technology, but i guess you think that if we had not pursued it they wouldn't have either? preposterous, comrade.

furthermore, early japanese surrender saved hundreds and hundreds of thousands of lives from violent death, by any estimation. their government had convinced the citizenry to fight to the bitter end with whatever means available to them.

now then. tiennamen square. well john, let's bear in mind this was not one incident but quite a few. just looking at the number of deaths first, low estimates (like the chinese government's) are around 250, with some around 400-800 and quite a few far, far higher. but see, we'll never know since the chinese government brutally suppressed not only the uprising, but the media around the aftermath.

tell me john, where did you learn about the 4 kids who died at kent state? in school maybe? hmm... do you think that chinese students learn much about tiennamen? twenty years later their government is still suppressing information involving the incidents, blacking out such websites as the BBC and twitter on the anniversary of the showdown.

those students were crushed by tanks, gunned down with automatic weapons, and beaten to death with nightsticks. also we'll never really know what happened to tank man, or the unknown rebel who faced down a line of tanks on the ironically named avenue of eternal peace. most people think he was later killed in secrecy.

anyway john, i know my ramblings aren't going to convince you or any other dyed in the wool liberal, but if it keeps the seeds of doubt out of one decent person's mind about the truth of the stuff you're talking about it's worth it.

dasvidaniya, comrades.

Comment by sesport on December 3, 2009 at 18:50

A 2002 press release from Quantum ...

http://www.qtww.com/files/qtww_press/020320%20Injector%20Commercial...

Comment by sesport on December 3, 2009 at 18:44

More light on this "frenemy" cooperation ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/general-m...

"A 12 page dossier submitted to politicians in Washington suggests that the number of cars that GM manufactures in Mexico, China and South Korea and imported into the US will roughly double"

Interestingly, Quantum Technologies & GM worked together on the OEM-Grade Gaseous fuel injector for, guess what, ng and hydorgen.

Looks like China may need ng to fuel more vehicles? Will some of those imports to US include such? 80)

Comment by John Avatar on December 3, 2009 at 11:19

Running over students in China isn't any different than shooting them at Kent State. Pot, meet kettle.

Comment by essay on December 2, 2009 at 22:15

let us hope the government responsible for running over students with tanks in tiennamen square will help us reason with this government, whose president says that there is "little to discuss"

super.

Comment by essay on December 2, 2009 at 17:53

making you actually defend what you say has become something of a hobby of mine. i post where, when, and what i want, same as everybody else, unless the site publisher says otherwise. please point out the personal attack you're referring to.

i am also not talking about "economic development" either here, or in china. i am talking about what china is actually going to do in order to assist the united states in the internationally agreed upon goal of a non-nuclear iran.

i insist that they will continue to do what they have in the past. same with the russians. talk a lot. http://www.examiner.com/a-2347728~China__More_talk__not_sanctions__...

Comment by sesport on December 2, 2009 at 17:09

You're the one that said, "...talk is cheap." IMO, all those cheap talks have won SOME (big some) show of support from Russia and China on the Iran nuclear issues. You want to know what IS cheap talk? "HOWEVER, it was a fairly complicated situation." Put that on a placard and parade it around in front of the courthouse in NYC during trial and see what it gets you.

Now, if you want to get off the personal attacks and back on topic, I've said before my thought is that by assisting China develop their energy resource one result may be improved/strengthened relations. With improved relations could come investment in US ng E&P.

You keep dismissing me, then return to engage me. Make up your mind. 80)

Comment by essay on December 2, 2009 at 15:46

thanks for the vocabulary lesson sesport!

now, do i like that we could have maybe killed the sob and didn't, no. however, it was a fairly complicated situation. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/02/60minutes/main4494937_pag...

am i necessarily all that surprised at the findings of this democratic majority committee chaired by john kerry, along with members such as barbara boxer, russ feingold, chris dodd and jeanne shaheen? no. these guys would come back from the dead to take a shot at bush or his people.

we can go back and forth about that mess all day, but why don't you tell us what action our friends in russia and china are going to take in helping out with iran instead?

or i guess you can continue to nitpick the wording of my posts and bring up more extraneous topics to obfuscate the original discussion even further.

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