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Permalink Reply by Dion Warr, CPL on September 10, 2013 at 3:32

GD:

I think you know better than that. At least as far as my involvement here. And TD's, for that matter. You are absolutely correct, there are industry sites and subscriber-based sites available that will not only track where leases are being acquired and by whom, there are even industry scouts that will find out how much is being paid and where the wells are being drilled. So why have I been here?

Let's not suppose any longer and wonder aloud. I'll tell you. (Listen up, cs and George, this is for you.) Years ago, oil and gas companies descended into an area talking about the latest world-class game changer play that was going usher domestic energy production into a new era. All of the big players wanted a piece of the action. Big wells hit. Lease bonuses soared into the stratosphere overnight. Everyone knew that the money was just going to roll, no, flow in, like a torrent. And then, the realities came. The metrics became established, ROI in various areas became known quantities. Additionally, commodities prices reversed. Companies stopped drilling wells that no longer made economic sense, except to HBP the choice areas that no one was willing to pay for twice, at least not at the prices to which choice areas had become inflated. Just like that, the boom was over. Companies either pulled back nearly entirely to weather the storm, sold out and moved on, or went on to pursue the next big play.

Sound familiar? Because as I have related this to you, I wasn't thinking of the Haynesville. I was thinking of the Deep Tuscaloosa Trend. Then, the Austin Chalk. Then the Travis Peak, Rodessa, Sligo. For that matter, you could reach back to Beaumont, East Texas and then Oil Creek. Bakersfield. Long Beach. The industry has endured these tales time and again. Those that get educated and deal can do well and protect themselves at the same time. Those that get caught up in the briefcases full of money and don't study the details... Well...

But certainly, the least productive thing to do is complain and randomly take cheap shots. I chose to join this site to educate and inform, to try and explain the business side of the industry, the oil and gas lease, and what happens during the life of the lease. I have my opinions, which are not shared by everyone, which I share and debate here, e.g., the bonuses paid in early 2008 were overinflated and unsustainable. I don't receive any benefit from visiting this site other than being able to share and communicate, other than possibly succeeding in defusing some of the irrational nonsense that sometimes pervades these forums.

I am an independent professional landman, which means I do more than peddle oil and gas leases. For one thing, I can tie my own shoelaces. For those other aspiring landmanologists, I would suggest Velcro. It's a much easier-to-understand material that doesn't require knot-tying or weaving of fibrous substances.

As far as Messrs. Geo. Immler and Cheap Shot, in case you haven't noticed, you're still able to post. As can I. See? It is an open forum. We can even type in each other's names and not be placed on double secret probation. Raining on the entire oil business and anyone associated with it generally draws my ire, and I'll jump in from time to time to defend someone. I'll even throw the occasional elbow. GHS is elevated by its ability to host the entire gamut of viewpoints, not just pro- and anti-industry.

Just no militant environmentalists. They really aren't interested in advancing the dialog on a shale site.

Permalink Reply by GoshDarn on September 10, 2013 at 6:22

Dion, as I've posted numerous times before, I've always been impressed by your knowledge/professionalism and your wordsmithing ability.  And I keep waiting for you to write that book that I first mentioned years ago.

Don't you miss KB?

Oh, since you tend come and go on GHS, you might need to reassess your thinking on cs (methinks).  In other words, you may find that you've mis-categorized that avatar (or maybe I'm confused and wrong). 

Permalink Reply by 1kw6x71km1v37 on August 22, 2013 at 7:54

Couldn't pose the problem of non-commercial production in light of LRS 30:10(A)(1)(b)that holds forth the legal fiction that in a forced pooling, production is allocated as if every tract had it's own well.

That spreads those10 BBLs per day pretty thin over 1400 acres.

Permalink Reply by Skip Peel - Mineral Consultant on August 22, 2013 at 13:25

Carol, you'll get more specific information on the North Caddo Parish Group page.  Join that group, read through all the discussions posted there and ask any questions you may have.  As Jay stated the application seeks to dissolve existing units that were formed in 2008/2009 in order to form larger units that fit Anadarko's development model in North Caddo Parish.  When you post your question in that group please include the plat that shows the five units or give the sections that make up each unit.  They are likely 960 acres and include a whole section and half of an adjoining north or south section.  Use this link.

http://www.gohaynesvilleshale.com/group/NorthCaddo

Permalink Reply by Carol Willis Gray on August 22, 2013 at 13:30

Thank you Skip!

Permalink Reply by Skip Peel - Mineral Consultant on August 27, 2013 at 10:30

I neither accused nor implied that you would run off advertising.  I pointed out that it is a means for Keith to maintain a profitable website and that those who don't care to take the time to click on an ad occasionally could make a donation in an amount of their choosing.  Nothing insecure about that.

Carol, my apologies for the hijacking of your discussion thread.  The boys can continue to throw bombs in other threads which you may choose to follow, or not.  If you wish to close this discussion you have the ability to do so.  Just click on the "Options" button above your discussion title or contact Keith and request that he do so for you.  See you in the North Caddo Group.

Permalink Reply by 2p6y7ycljui0u on August 27, 2013 at 10:39

NW LA mineral owners, you're screwed.  Gripe amongst yourselves, here, on this forum...

-- Geo. Immler.

Wouldn't leave much draw for input or advertisements, though.

I did not accuse you of the implication. Read the thread and the post of your vigilant contributors.

Permalink Reply by Joe Aldridge on August 27, 2013 at 11:27

Off Thread: Come on Guys........ I think GD hit the nail on the head. As for as you, the pros, are concerned its get the leases at the lowest price, any way you can and then on to the next one. In a lot of landowner's cases its an emotional decision that might be the only one that person ever sees. If that person is taken advantage of by the industry personnel because of trust in what he was told by the pro and  then finds that those statements and facts are not correct then he has to take that into consideration in any future dealing. 

Now back to this thread: I find it interesting that the industry sees no problem diluting landowner's royalty with large (1000+ acre) units and thus HBPing as much acreage as they can when these wells have been proven to only drain 80-120 acres. It would seem to me to be more prudent for the State to require the industry to drill and produce more than simply allowing them to hold large acreage units with minimal drilling and production. But that is not my observation when it comes to the Louisiana Conservation Commission and their relationship with the Industry. It seems that anything the industry wants is allowed.

Permalink Reply by Skip Peel - Mineral Consultant on August 27, 2013 at 11:38

Joe, I don't take leases.  I have however performed research and provided negotiation strategy for numerous mineral owners.  I work closely with attorneys who represent land and mineral owners and have testified in court for plaintiffs.  I have absolutely no incentive to get leases at the lowest price.  As to why the state allows operators to form large units for horizontal development, I've given my opinion on a number of occasions.  This thread has gone off course and is a disservice to the new member who started it.  If you would care to rehash the large units/HBP issue by all means start a discussion on the subject and I'll participate.

Permalink Reply by Joe Aldridge on August 27, 2013 at 12:55

Skip,

I did not say you take leases. Nor did I reference anyone else that contributes on GHS. 

You did answer Carol's question about what dissolving the units means. What I've been saying is an individual can't do anything to stop it or even amend the proposal. The industry has the Conservation Commission under its thumb.

Permalink Reply by Skip Peel - Mineral Consultant on August 27, 2013 at 13:06

Joe, my take on Carol's question is that she is seeking information on what Anadarko is up to in her back yard.  The dissolving existing units part is simply boiler plate language in the first paragraph of the notice letter and does not represent the crux of what she is asking. 

Maybe I misunderstood your statement, "As for as you, the pros, are concerned its get the leases at the lowest price, any way you can and then on to the next one."

Yes, the industry has great sway with the commissioner and the entire current administration and legislature for that matter.  They worked hard and invested a lot to get that influence.  Other than filing suit for specific performance issues I don't see any means to challenge that influence.  And I understand qualms concerning HBP by large units but don't see any means for redress.  The precedent is set.  Continually bringing up the issue just makes me think of tilting at windmills.

Permalink Reply by Kaufman on August 31, 2013 at 12:29

Wow, when reading that post and what you wrote on 16 August about any action taken against a notorious player would be fought by the industry tooth and nail make me wonder why anyone would not have serious questions about dealing with the industry. Why should we not think the industry should be suspect by the landowner? How is making an entity honor their contract punishment? 

Politically, I think O&G holds the winning hand.  I don't think a pol could separate CHK from the herd.  The rest of the industry would come to their defense because they could be next.  Set a precedent  for punishing CHK and it could be used against the rest of them also.  I'd love to be proven wrong but I've been a lobbyist and seen how state government works up close and in person.   

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