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Permalink Reply by Jack Blake on May 17, 2011 at 3:24

That's the thing.  It is small potatoes to them,  but to us landowners it is like having a serious second income.  Like having our work salaries doubled!!!!!!!!!

Those of us who study and are diligent will make serious $ from water. 

If not already registered,  Jack would suggest you register with Wright Water Resources on the main page of GHS.  They may be able to help you get a water deal.  They try to match up water owners with oil companies who need water.  Also offer pond feasability study, have contractor for digging ponds.

 

WWhat section township and range are you in drillthe shale?

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Permalink Reply by P.G. on May 17, 2011 at 3:41

Wouldn't drillers paying someone else to drill into the aquifer for frac water be like drillers drilling water wells by proxy?

I thought the whole point of using surface water was to stay out of the aquifer?

How long would it take to pump the millions of gallons needed to frac a well with a 4 inch well?

How much electricity would it take?

Allowing for ground seepage and evaporation, how much net profit per barrel would that yield?

Jack would probably benefit more if he DID have a creek, huh?

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Permalink Reply by The_Baron on May 17, 2011 at 8:22

PG,

 

You are correct that Conservation is trying to promote as much surface water use as possible. The aquifers are already being overpumped.

 

Also, i don't think Jack realizes how big of a pond he would need. The best artificial ponds are those that yake advantage of natural topography and are feed by springs and/or creeks

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Permalink Reply by SallyQ on May 17, 2011 at 6:49

Jack Blake, if you dig a hole in the ground to hold water it is called a tank.

 

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Two Dogs, Pirate on May 17, 2011 at 10:46

"JACK BLAKE NEEDS A WATER WITCHER HOWLED TWO DOGS". Jack you can get Carlton Salley to dig the pond.

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Permalink Reply by Max on May 18, 2011 at 3:55

Calculations:

4 inch well;  Note: This pump drops to 31 GPM @ 450 feet deep and less GPM as depth increases.

 

5 HP 5000 Watt 230 Volt Heavy Duty Water Pump @ 50 GPM average cost: $2000

Electricity cost: $0.10 KWH = $0.50/hour @ 24 hours = $12 per day 

Pool: 100 feet long X 100 feet wide X 20 feet deep = 1.5 million gal

50 GPM @ 24 hours day = 17 days to fill 1.5 million gal. pool

 

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Permalink Reply by P.G. on May 18, 2011 at 5:06

How much water can be continuously pumped from a 4" well? How fast does water migrate through the aquifer to maintain a constant level in the casing or hole that size while being drawn upon?

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Permalink Reply by The_Baron on May 18, 2011 at 5:21

Now your gonna get complicated. Continuous pupming will draw down any aquifer in set radius. It all depends on the aquifer though. Also, the proximity and activity of nearby wells could have an impact. Over time aquifers can also get permanatly drawn down, this is happining in many areas of our state and is the reason for so much concern over where our water comes from.

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Permalink Reply by P.G. on May 18, 2011 at 5:30

I've read where even if there was enough water available in the aquifer  the recovery rate for a well might limit the rate at which it could be drawn...

I'm sure this value is different for different areas with different soil types..I just wonder how it is here in Louisiana..

 

http://www.inspectapedia.com/water/Well_Yield.htm

The well flow rate, as we discuss in this article, is the rate that water flows into the well itself from the surrounding soils. The well flow rate is the true limit on a well's ability to deliver a sustained water flow to its users.

So you could pump water out of a well very fast pumping rate, say at 10 or even 15 gpm. But if the well recovery rate is less than the well pumping rate, you're going to run out of water. How soon you run out of water depends on how much water was in the well casing when you started pumping (the static head), and ultimately on the well recovery rate.

 

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Permalink Reply by Max on May 18, 2011 at 10:40

P.G.

Drop the pumping rate down to 10 GPM and pumping time to only 6 hours a day, would that be 416 days to fill the small 1.5 million gallon pond?

 

We had a 36 inch well about 75 feet deep and if you left the water on overnight, it would run the well dry, and daddy would be pissed off.

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Permalink Reply by P.G. on May 18, 2011 at 12:40

Maybe Jack should drill a test well before investing a lot of money, huh?

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Permalink Reply by Max on May 19, 2011 at 3:38

Averages:

 

Water to frac a well: 3.8 million gallons average, (Barnett Shale)

 

Cost to drill water well:  $12/foot average, (U.S.)

 

Cost to dig a pond: $2.50/cubic yard, (Overburden left on site)

 

One acre pond, (208' X 208') X 10 feet deep = 16,133 cubic yards,

 

One acre pond X 10 feet deep = 3.1 million gallons

 

 

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