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Permalink Reply by The_Baron on October 11, 2011 at 7:41

you need to change your title, the Honda is CNG not LNG. also, YOu have to go to Houston, Dallas or Baton rouge, looks like Holmes is not participating.

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Permalink Reply by Hopeful About Natural Gas on October 11, 2011 at 8:49

Sorry, you can't edit the discussions once you post them.  Anyway, LNG ... CNG ... it's all Natural Gas.  What's important is a well known car that runs on NG is finally being sold.

 

Below is Honda's official website for it's GX.  I wonder why it's not being sold in Shreveport???

 

http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-gx/

 

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Permalink Reply by The_Baron on October 11, 2011 at 9:21

The GX has been available for several years. The market will be limited for everyday people until there are refueling stations everywhere. Also, at 26k, its a little pricy for a civic.. like about 8k more expensive

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Permalink Reply by jffree1 on October 11, 2011 at 9:23

HANG, unless there is a new glitch on the site, you should be able to edit any discussion which you opened.  There should be an "Options" tab in the discussion header where you will find "Edit" on a drop down list.

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Permalink Reply by Hopeful About Natural Gas on October 11, 2011 at 10:17

 

Thanks jfree. i've been on chs for 3 years and never noticed the options button. I post these because I am hopeful natural gas will be use more widely.

 

Yes, a civic has been available for awhile but it looks like they are pushing it more now.  People were willing to pay a premium for the first hybrid Toyotas, but I wonder if they will be willing to pay a premium for cng cars.  Our university is test driving a few of them now to see how they perform everyday.

 

While there is a lot of talk about electric refueling stations there is very little about stations that would sell CNG.  Are those stations starting to be built in Houston, Dallas and BR?  How about Shreveport?  We need refueling stations for CNG to be a viable transportation fuel.

 

They might sell more of these in Japan than in the US.  I don't know.  It will be interesting to follow it's sales (and the electric cars)

 

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Hopeful About Natural Gas on October 11, 2011 at 18:36

Good article Sesport.  I don't know how I missed it on GHS.  It's nice to hear how much of commercial traffic could be done with these rigs.   The costs are a big savings with a large fleet.

 

However, any I-5 demonstration will have to wait. They have not sold any NG lawnmowers! But it would be a great visual.

 

So, Pakistan and Iran are the countries with the most NGVs? I guess that makes sense with all the gas Iran has.  Surely we cannot allow the mullahs to beat us at NGVs!!

 

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Permalink Reply by Hopeful About Natural Gas on October 12, 2011 at 19:57

Well, I guess the HOPEFUL way to look at these stats would be to say that the USA is way ahead of Turkestan and Bulgaria and Peru. GO TEAM!

 

However, we do trail Argentina, Iran and Pakistan and about ten other countries! I'm really surprised at that study.  We are far behind some countries in developing transportation fuels from NG.

 

Thanks for posting this. It's an interesting study that is easy to read.

 

HANG

 

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Permalink Reply by Frank on October 11, 2011 at 14:55

What about home fueling options?  I would consider a pump at the house for my go getter.  I could use a fuel efficient CNG vehicle for 25,000 of the 30,000 miles a year driven.

 

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Permalink Reply by The_Baron on October 12, 2011 at 8:18

problem with that is you pay the residential rate.

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Permalink Reply by Frank on October 12, 2011 at 15:36

I bet the return is still good over $3.50 gasoline, but the ROI is lower due to the rate.  This would be for a local vehicle that could fuel at commercial stops as they come available.  I could save some fuel money. 

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Permalink Reply by The_Baron on October 13, 2011 at 3:56

You currently save about $1.25/ gallon if filling up at the Bossier Stations, They price in a per gallon equivlent so its easy to see the difference.

 

So, if you get 30 mpg, you effectivly save $1.25 for every 30 miles driven... So for very 1,000 miles driven, you save almost $42.00. Not looking good on rate of return!

 

Unless the cost of the Vehicle comes down, or the price of oil shoots up, I just don't see it working out.  We need to do the following:

1) additional tax on Gasoline or Imported Oil

2) use the new tax revenue to provide  subsidies/credits for CNG vehicles

 

I think that trying to get the average Joe to invest in CNG is ridiculas at this point. It does make a lot of sense for CNG busses (Like Shreveports), garbage trucks, local fleets... anything where you have vehicles returning to a central point or yard each day. As those Vehicles rise in #'s, private gas stations would see the need to install CNG fillers. Combine that with a push for LNG long range Heavy haulers on the interstate  and we could reduce our overall fuel consumption drastically.

 

Imagine the impact of switching all Postal Vehicles, School Busses, Mass Transit Busses to CNG. We don't need to abandon gasoline all together,just reduce or eliminate our need to import foriegn oil.

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Permalink Reply by P.G. on October 12, 2011 at 4:38

How difficult would it be to have all utility companies across the US that serve NG to homes to also create access points for autos? 

Aren't they already regulated by the government?

A small charge on Utility bills like they do with the 911 emergency service on telephone bills could pay for the costs.

As CNG autos become the norm, the private sector would get more involved..

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